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Don't mention it, BigDD. Just happy to help anyone, since I have been doing a lot of digging after info my self, I am just happy to share whatever I know. Also, I happen to own the swiss version of the DSSD noob like the one you posted from Hont webshop. I did not buy it from Hont, tough, but from another TD. The version I got has a Selita movement (swiss copy of ETA obsolete patent movements). Silk smooth in the winding, I cannot say the same about some of my other reps. Smooth winding is a sign that the movement is probably oiled or pre-serviced from the factory prior to assembly. Even if you should let the rotor autowind the watch, sometimes it is convenient or necessary to wind manually. I am not totally happy about the bezel and pearl, and the quality of the bracelet could have been way better. Also the lume applied on the hour markers are not very good, making the dial look to be of lesser quality, but only visible at close-ups. I am not talking about the actual lume strenght, that is quite good, but the application of the lume. It is uneven and poor. But it is a very nice watch overall, even I would choose the new version, if I were to buy one now, from what I have learned. If you're on a tight bugdet, go for the A2836. The A2813 (A 21jewel) can be good, but is sometimes crap, and usually attached to the case with a plastic movement holder, so it is not by far so rigid as the more expencive assemblies. Also it is usually less accurate and has a low beat 21,600. Also it seems (anyone, please correct me if you are certain they do not) they do some kind of sorting on the factories, using the better examples for more expencive movements, whereas the not-so-good examples tend to be equipped with the cheaper movements, since the buyers of these variations tend to have lower quality demand and perhaps do not complain so often when they have reviewed the QC-pictures. But regarding this particular model, I think the price difference from the A21j, through the A25j, to the Swiss is outrageous: 188USD 298 USD 398 USD That is a difference from the A21j to the A25j at 110 USD, and to the Swiss, 210 USD! The A25j should not cost more than about 45-50 USD. And the price difference to the swiss should not be more than another 75-90 USD. A new swiss Selita should cost not more than about 150 USD. So, there you go. If the only difference is the movement, and everything else is top quality like the most expencive version, I reckon the A21j is a bargain. My example is from: http://www.1-pc8838.com/rolex-dweller-c-55_125.html

Hello BigDD. The item you are referring to, seems to be the previous Ultimate Version of DSSD (DeepSea Sea-Dweller) from Noob factory (N-maker). This one has a bezel and pearl not fully comparable to the GEN design. Also it has not superlume, even if it could appear as superlume on the dealers pictures. Since the description from the dealer say nothing about superlume, you must assume there is no superlume. I will suggest you to take a look at the more recent "Ultimate Supreme Edition" from some TD, i.e. Trusty Time and Perfect Clones. They have recently added a new edition with updated bezel, pearl, and it also has true blue superlume, as the GEN. Price is in the same range as the ones you have looked at from Hont, and they also come in various movements, Swiss, Asian 25j and Asian 21j. Asian 21j only has low beat rate (21,600), whereas the Swiss and the A2836 clone has high beat 28,800. I do not know which factory this new breed comes from, but some people talk about a Submariner that comes from the BP factory (I have not heard about any BP factory prior to this), so maybe it is the same factory. Read the recent post I made regarding this new DSSD (from a few days ago). There are some opinions from other members there as well, some positive, some negative. One of the issues seems to be misaligned letters on the inner bezel ring ("Original Helium Escape Valve - Ring Lock System") and the triangle on the 12 o clock marker on the bezel (where the pearl sits), it should be more curved at the upper end, not straigth as it looks on the pictures. But all in all it seems to be a good one, and most of these issues must perhaps be regarded as only neetpicking.

Here it is: http://www.1-pc8838.com/rlsd00008-deep-swiss-2836-p-13190.html Also available with Asia 25j and Asia 21j.

Ok guys, how about the latest DSSD with superlume from Josh? I haven't found any comments about it here on the forum yet. This should be the long awaited "supreme ultimate edition" with superlume, new bezel with updated pearl and the works. He released it in late december, so I reckon not many have ordered or received it yet. Bezel looks good, pearl looks better than the previous one (noob edition) and with superlume, this should be what we have been waiting for, or not? Is it just a hybrid of the latest noob, combined with bezel and pearl from the Trevor version, with updated dial with superlume? I notice the circular hour markers are changed, compared to the latest noob, the metal rings are not so fat any more, so it should be more true to the GEN. Also bezel and pearl looks more true to the GEN Whiter and fatter bezel digits, and blacker bezel. So, what's the hatch this time? Available with A21, A25j high beat ETA clone and swiss ETA/Selita. Edit: also noticed it seems to have correct HE valve recessed, like the GEN. My version (latest noob) does not have recessed HE valve.

Another 3 seconds fast this morning. I am very well pleased with accuracy of this movement. Still remains to see how it will perform when PR is down to 2-3 days. When I remove it in the evening, it goes from 7 days (max) down to a little more than 6 days in the morning, and at lunchtime it has already climbed back up to "7 days" (max, is of cource not actual 7 days on this REP, only the PR meter position, PR is +50 hours). PR gains very quickly on this movement. One part I forgot to mention about Con's: Rotor is rather noisy, but at least I can hear that it winds the movement at the smallest hand motion;-) Any advise how to make the rotor less noisy? I have read through the topics, did some search, but have not found anyone mention this particular movement and how to fix it. Someone regarding other movement talked about some different lubricants, but one must be careful to lube anything in the movement, without proper knowledge and proper lubricant. Wrong lubricant may ruin the movement and cause pollution of the movementparts with lubricant all over, where it shall not be. BTW: any opinions on different strap options for this model with tobacco "metallic" dial and white markers with silver edges? I found these: http://www.watch-band-center.com/watchstrap-p16665h1063s468-Watch-strap-Aviator-.html http://www.watch-band-center.com/watchstrap-p16664h1063s468-Watch-strap-Aviator-.html http://www.watch-band-center.com/watchstrap-p13552h1063s468-Watch-strap-STEINHAR.html http://www.watch-band-center.com/watchstrap-p9992h1063s468-Watch-band-Aviator-S.html http://www.watch-band-center.com/watchstrap-p9993h1063s468-Watch-band-Aviator-S.html http://www.watch-band-center.com/watchstrap-p10290h1063s468-Watch-band-22mm-dark.html Am not quite sure what color combination and color stitching would be the best for my St.Exupery. I would like strap with rivets, to maintain the "Aviator" style look, but at the same time I wish to avoid the Big Pilot style with massive tapering from 22 to 18mm about 1" from the springbars, making the overall strap look quite narrow and out of proportions, compared to the rather large watchcase.

Hi to everyone. I recently picked up my BP St.Exupery Ltd from my watch box ("Platinum Edition" with tobacco brown metallic dial and white markers with silver outlines), which I aquired a couple of years ago from PT. This is the edition with working PR and sunken ( )datewheel. Quite a nice made REP, very nice finished dial and hour markers. The PR subdial is silver. PS:I have seen this in other edition with the fixed PR (non-working) and it looks much less refined (at least as far as I can tell from the pictures). Dial and hour markers looks poor compared to the one I have. Also AR is among the best I have seen on a rep, perhaps only beaten by the Concord C1. Reason I post this, is to learn about the experience the rest of you have regarding accuracy of this movement and how reliable it has turned out to be over time. I do not have experience in how it works over longer time, as I have not used it much, since I disliked the strap that came along, and never felt it fitted quite right on my wrist (22-18 strap with rivets and deployment buckle). Also I did not like the look of the 22-18 strap, as it is quite thick at the lugs, but tapers dramatically about 1 inch from the lugs and is very narrow (18 at the buckle end). So the strap looks very thin compared to the quite large watch case (+46mm). Recently I forced a 24-22 Bob strap (Breilting style) on the 22mm lugs, and actually was able to get it fixed. The watch looks more balanced with a wider and thicker strap, that does not taper so much in the width as the original design strap. Sad part is I am not able to use the original deployment buckle, which is very nice. Bottom line, this is a very accurate movement (at least mine, for the time beeing) as it has only gained 4 secs over the last 24 hours, with the PR pretty much fully wound. Also the PR is very long lasting. PT said it was 50+ hours, but I have not measured it. I have no doubt that it is at least 50 hours, perhaps as much as 60 hours PR to this movement. Pro's: Accurate movement Very long PR Working PR (which I find very useful and the PR meter moves quickly upwords during the day as I wear it) (I do not see the point in a watch with non-working functions, or faux subdials, even though many choose the faux PR version to get better datewheel (non-sunken)) Very good AR Nicely finished case and dial, as well as dial elements (hour markers etc) Lume is OK, but not great, it lasts quite long, but is not very strong. Very legible dial with big hands and accurate minute markers along the edge of the dial, very easy to read time by the minute at a quick look. So I understand the philosophy of the original Flieger Uhr, it was made big, so the pilot could easily read the accurate time while in flight and in dim lighting. Con's: Wrong caseback Fish crown (both fish crown and Probus Scafusia is correct for the 5002/5004, but not for this Ltd St.Exupery). Sunked datewheel (they even added a small cyclops over the date window to make it look not so sunken;-) (You can get the one without sunken datewheel, but only the one with the fixed PR (non-functional)) Manual winding is a little strange, it works fine, but now and then it sounds like some strange clicking noises, like some tooth wheel jumps over or something, does not feel right, but the watch continues to work fine. I guess one should avoid manual winding also on these Asian23j movements, as they say of the A7750, which should not be wound manual at all). Recessed button at 8 o'clock for quick change of date - this is not a function of a GEN Big Pilot at all. Date changes via the crown. Last but not least, this particular model was only issued in 1 (one of a kind) example by IWC (Ltd Platinum), so the probability that You ever see a genuine one (the one and only GEN was sold at an action for 50.000 CHF), is quite small. Obviously wearing a REP among IWC conossieurs would be very little credible, since it is more or less non-excisting as a GEN;-). Here is the GEN, BTW: http://www.worldtempus.com/en/news/top-news/detail/article/1274100196-iwc-50000-swiss-francs-for-the-big-pilots-watch-edition-saint-exupery/ And here is my REP:

Hi there. Considering you could almost get a GEN Hamilton Chrono (i.e. X-Wind) ( http://www.authenticwatches.com/hamilton-khaki-x-wind-h77616533.html?productid=hamilton-khaki-x-wind-h77616533&channelid=PGRABhttp://store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?movadobaby+H8SNTh+index.html+) with swiss 7750 movement in the pricerange 900-1200 USD, I would say 900 for a REP is a BigTime rip-off. No rep is worth 900 USD. Considering GEN watches from reputable manufacturers with brand new and GEN swiss 7750, properly serviced and with manufacturers full guarantee at these prices, makes me believe that chinese rep dealers either price these items to reduce the demand, because they are not very easy to obtain these days (GEN Swiss movements has been very reduced in availability, or because they see a superboosted earning potential from purist REP collectors, demanding the best obtainable products. Especially GEN ETA movements, due to ETA's recent policy of only selling movements to the brands inside the Swatch Group). Most GEN Swiss movements in REPS we see offered today, are problably Selita movements (clones of obsolete patented ETA movements).

Holy mother of crap! It is really bad, and on some of the pics it looks like yellow markers on the bezel, as some of you state. On the dealers site, they clearly state that the ceramic sub was made by disecting a GMT-Master II ceramic, since they have the same case shape. That is not the case (same;-) The case is not the same, just take a look at the SUBS and the GMT's on the Rolex website. You see the shape of the crownguards are not the same. I do not understand why I did not see this flaw until recently. Guess one gets more and more overanalytic when time goes by, and one flaw after the other comes aparent. Can someone of you tell me 1 rep of a Rolex that has a true 1:1 case shape and dimensions? Not the Subs anyways. Still they have not managed to get the hour markers and pearl near look-alike to the GENS. How difficult can it be? Same situation with the DSSD. Wrong hour markers and pearl, also HE valve is not recessed, as on the GEN. Bracelet is not on-par by any means with the quality one should expect at 400 + USD.

Hi to all! The caseshape is not true to the gen, at least as far as I can tell from the pictures. They still have too narrow CG tips compared to GEN (CG tips should be winder on the edges, compared to GEN). Also, it looks they still have too narrow lug tips. Lugs on GEN looks fatter, and the overall look of the GEN case looks more square, and protrude. As far as I am conserned, they have used the same caseshape as with the Sub-C date, which they made, disecting a GMT-Master II ceramic. It will all be wrong, wrong, wrong! If you look at the pics on Rolex site, compare case shape GMT-M II C and SUB-C, you will notice, the CG-tips on the GMT-M II C are more looking like the CG tips of the rep SUB no-date. So in overall, the CG shape is wrong. The shape of the CG for SUB-C is more straight out of the case and makes not so narrow CG tips, whereas the shape of the GMT-M II C CG is more angeled downwards out of the case, making the tip of the CG (where it ends on each side of the crown) more narrow. If you understand what I try to explain, please comment, pro or con?

Hi there atomic_doug! You are suggesting to take the dial from 292 and put it into the case of 380. Instead, they (H-factory) took the dial from the 380 and put it into the ceramic case of the 292, so it ended up like a 292, only with a sausage dial. I recently purchased one, and it is a very nice watch, even though it is a pure fantasy model. Perfect Clones call it a custom build. Benefits are high-beat movement of the 380, and the light and rugged ceramic case of the 292. The original 292 from H-Factory only has a low-beat movement.

Hi there fellow members. I paid one of the AD's for Omega in my town a visit recently. Looked at some Longines, Certina and some other cheap stuff, just to see what they are like, quite reasonable prices for the automatics from Longines and Certina, but they are nowhere near the build quality and feel of my GEN SOSF. Then I noticed he had the newest range of Planet Ocean with ceramic bezel in the display. Both 42 and 45.5mm chronometre (non-chrono) and the 45.5mm chronograph (new style with only two subdials and date at 6 o-clock). They are just amazing looking watches, but prices have gotten quite high, compared to the recent PO lines (with alu bezel). He picked one out of the display and handed to me (the 42mm) and it just looks and feels superb! The feel and build quality of these models are just fantastic. The combined satin and polished surfaces are just staggering. No pictures can show how good these models really are. Those of you who have held one in your hands, will know what I am talking about. They have changed the dial, bezel (it is now ceramic, matte finish btw, not polished as oppose to the the Subs, GMT-Master II and DeepSea rollies) the caseback (it is now see-through sapphire caseback, in-house movement looks fantastic, btw) and bracelet is far superior to the older models. New bracelet is with screwed links and looks more refined, even it is not very different in overall than the old models bracelets. Even the crystal looks more crisp and clear. Perhaps they have changed to colorless AR, I did not notice any blue or purple hue at all. I asked the AD, but he was not sure about the AR and if they had changed it. Did not even look like he knew that there were different grades (and colors) of AR, and he looked quite surprised when I asked about such things as beatrate, in-house movements and more. Guess it is not common to have people like us rep-geeks, who probably now more about the GENS than the common GEN owner or buyer normally do, visit the AD stores. I guess us rep-geeks are much more aware of the details about different models, than most common GEN buyers. Since we allways try to identify the flaws of the reps, we must pay much attention to all details about the GENS, and such, we tend to learn more about all aspects of the GENS ranges. Prices for the new lines of PO starts at NOK 38.000,- (about 6400 USD) for the non-chronos, and the chrono I think is close to around 50.000NOK (about 8500 USD). The AD guy had a 45.5 chrono on his wrist, I complimented him for it, but said it is probably the watch of a lifetime for me. He said, it should not be, and that I ought to get me one some day Since I recently spend a good portion of money (3700USD) on my GEN SOSF (Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish), I am nowhere near beeing able to afford a GEN PO 2011 at this moment, but if I had, I would probalby pick up both the 42mm, 45.5mm non-chronos, as well as the 45.5 chrono! In the meantime, when do we see decent reps of these, at least the non-chronos? I have seen something looking like an attempt over at Puretime, but they have a polished ceramic bezel,the gen is matte! I reckon the chrono will be hard to rep, since it has the two subdial set-up with both ellapsed hours and minutes on the 3 o'clock subdial (with two subdial hands on the hours/min subdial), and seconds at 9 o'clock and date at 6.

I believe the watch is the actor's own watch. I remember spotting it, when he (Aksel Hennie) wore it on a talkshow (Senkveld, norwegian TV2) a good time prior to the making of the movie Hodejegerne. It is a Big Bang King Rosegold with brown strap, that is sure. But on the TV show, it looked more like a leather (Hublot Gummy?) strap, that a plain brown rubber strap. Pretty sure it is a gen, at least the guy can afford it. He has made a great deal of money on his successful carriere as both an actor and movie director.

Hello to all. I recently discovered that two of the letters on the caseback of my DSSD has faded completely. The last two letters ("ER") in the printing "SEA-DWELLER". The printing is made of some sort of black ink. Now the letters are just blank, like only the etching in the caseback printing remains. No trace of the black ink whatsoever. I think it is very strange. Is it possible that the ink they have used, is water solulable. That if it is a warm day, and I sweat a lot, it will dissapear? Just wondering if anyone else has encountered this phenomen The strangest thing is, noone of the other letters seem to be affected and is clear black, as they should be. I used to believe that the caseback of this watch was very good, and would not be a tell, if someone examined the watch. There are of cource other obvious tells on the front of the watch, revealing it as a rep, rather than the real deal, but it makes me have kind of a headeake knowing it is rather silly looking, even though I know it is a rep

Looks like we have started a tread going summer hot here Anyones up for any watch matching Ettan or Svensk Grovsnus?;-) How about Skruf?;-)

Hej Fixen! Man måste ju matcha ihop allting, snus og klocka är vel en bra början? Har även en bra match til Röda Lacket White Portion, min SA på en svart och röd läderstrap från BOB;-) Vi kan börja med en ny tråd om snus og klockar, va säjs ?

Hello there. Was putting on the classic blue sub this morning, has been stuffed away for a looong while, and it came to my mind, there are something about this design I recognise from elsewhere... Swedish Match - so, is it a Rolex with a Swedish Design, or Swedish Snus with a Rolex design?

Depending wether you want a sporty or elegant watch. Breitlings are beafy and bold, typical sports watches. Super Avenger at 48mm, or for the more elegant touch, the Breitling for Bentley 6.75 at 49,2mm. They also have a few other models above 48mm. Panerai - the divers range for sporty (PAM187) or the Fiddy style /127, 217 etc, (non-chrono 47mm 1950s case) or Radiomir 47mm for yet more elengant design. But, do not forget the 44mm PAMS on SS bracelet. Especially the Daylight range, they wear very big on an SS bracelet, much bigger than on a strap. Omega, they have infact some models beyond the PO 45,5mm. Check them out. Hublot Big Bang King or Big Bang King Power (48mm) or the ultrabeafy Oceanographic Diver (48mm, but more than 20mm thick)! Roger Dubois, has some elegant/sporty models, 48mm. Even an Tourbillon at 48mm! U-Boat - there are several models at 50mm and beyond! Audemars Piguet - ROO T3 (Ti) or Shaq (SS), both at 48mm. Corum - look at the Competition 48 (48mm). Also available in Ti. IWC Big Pilot, 46,2mm, but because of the very narrow bezel and large dial/crystal, it wears like a 48mm. Tag Heuer - take a look at the Carrera 16 (and Carrera range), at 43mm, but wears much, much bigger, due to narrow bezel and ditto big dial. Wears biggest on a ss bracelet. AS a tumb rule, watch look bigger on an SS bracelet (if it is a chunky bracelet), if it does not have a divers bezel, but rater a neutral bezel or a racing bezel, since divers bezels tend to "eat away" some of the visual apperance of a watch, since the dial gets much smaller. Makes the watch look smaller far away, when the dial is the most apparent part, but when up close, you see the size of it as a whole. Also white dials make a watch look bigger, than black dials. So if you want to go biggy-biggy, go for a Super Avenger with white dial and SS bracelet. Don't get much bigger than that. I saw one in the window at the local AD the other day. SA with battons and white dial. Looked enourmous compared to the other watches, even the bigger models from TAG and Omega looked really small. Another rule, watch looks way bigger on display in the window at the AD, than it will do on your wrist. Therefore, you might think that your watch (the REP) is wrong size, compared to the huge GEN in the AD windows. It is a visual phenomen, I thought the GEN SOSF looked significantly bigger in the AD window, than my REP SOSF, until the day I went and purchased the GEN SOSF. The size is exactly the same for both. Just your eyes playing tricks with your brain. Also, watches tend to look bigger on anyone elses wrists, than your own. Also a visual phenomen Happy hunting, may not need a scope sight, if you are hunting for the big birds .

Corrections to the dimensions of this rather modestly sized watch;-) Diameter: 51,4mm Thickness: 28,5(!)mm Crystal thickness: 14,3(!)mm. The watch is tested in a specially created hyperbaric tank at Rolex, for a full 1500 ATM (1,25 times the rated waterproof depth, according to ISO 6425 for Divers Watches). They also test each individual DSSD in a hyperbaric tank at Rolex, that is probably the reason why all DSSD (GENS) are sent to Rolex in Switzerland for all repairs and services. They always test the watch again after opening the caseback, and to ensure all gaskets and seals are properly safe. No watchmaker locally in any country have the possibility to do this testing themselves. So, even an DSSD from New Zealand or Hawaii, is sent across the world to Switzerland for testing. Does anyone know the price for a DSSD service? Since it was introduced less than 5 years ago, maybe no GEN owners have done any service yet, but there might have been done some repairs. Any members of this forum owning a GEN DSSD, by the way? I'm just curios

Holy mother of crap! Cufflinks at 10.800 USD? And there are no diamonds, only Onyx and white gold..... You can get a GEN Daytona at the same price as a pair of PP cufflinks, and the Daytona even has a chronograph manufacture movement. Even an AP Royal Oak within reach at that price. I have no words to express my feelings when I read abot the tie clip at 4.400 USD(???) I can understand the nature of complexity and handlabour hours needed to make these truly unique watches, but how hard is it to make cufflinks and tie clips? These are shameless, outrageuosly snobery prices for these accessories. This clearly illustrates how a clever businessman or salesguy can sell "dogpoop" packet in gold wrapping and call it gold nuggets, if there is a customer with enough dough and not enough brains;-) But, If I won the big lottery someday, I would probably order me self a PP and optional cufflinks as well Again I can put in the famous saying: "It is not a question "why", but rather an answer "because"." They buy the crap because they can, not that they need a special reason to ask themselves "why". I know what I would first clip into that PP Money Clip, if I aquired one: the price tag:-)! Brings to my toughts the beautiful and unexpected logics of human mind: British Mountainare and Explorer George Mallory came with his famous words in the 1920s, when they asked "why" he wanted to climb the highest mountain in the world, Mount Everest (at that time no one had achieved the accent) - His answer was "because it's there". Another story is, he died, in his attempt. So sometimes, you should perhaps not do something, just because you can, but maybe ask yourself "why", and perhaps get a second tought about it.

Heck, they repped the Egizano at 60mm, and the Hublot Oceanographic diver at 48mm, and more than 20mm thick, it is almost as big as this Deep Sea Challenge. I think (hope) they may be tempted to REP this, they have made REPS of 1 only edition watches before (models that of the GEN, there are only made 1 pcs worldwide), so it shouldn't stop them. But this is maybe a model I would rather have on display in my bookshelf, togeher with all my National Geographic Magazines, and other cool props, rather than on my wrist! What would something like this weigh? 350 grams? Even the proportions of the sapphire crystal is outragous, it sticks several mm above the bezel:-)

If it is rubber straps you are heading for, you just might settle with the repstraps. The rubberstrap for the AP Diver, should be quite ok (it will even fit the other ROOs). If you are heading for leather straps, go for APBANDS. It is worth the extra cash, should be some leather straps available from about 130USD. Remember the AP ROO is a watch that retails from 12-15000USD and up, it should be expected top notch straps on such. Anything cheap, it will be an easy tell for such an exlusive brand. Especially the fit on the lugs are difficult on this model, since it has these strap tabs that is fitted into a cut out area of the strap, it is quite difficult to make, compared to a regular strap for springbars, or screws, like Panerais. Even the GEN owners buy from APSTRAPS, something worth mentioning. Figuring owners of 12000 + USD watches buying straps for just a fracton of the cost of their watch, should show the quality is good enough for GEN, and it still is reasonable even for REP owners. Since the REP is quite expensive as well (+450 USD), you have probably already passed a barrier regarding how much money you want to spend. Everything about the AP's are more complicated and expensive, than most other reps. You can obtain a great Rolex or Panerai rep for half that price. For these models, straps are cheaper and more easy.

Hi there PeteM. Even if it has been posted before, It may be posted as many times as there are new people reading about it, because this is something worth posting over and over again. James Cameron took this fantastic example of groundbreaking engineering to the bottom of the world in his one-manned solo mission on behaf of National Geographic Society and Rolex (among others). I saw the video of Rolex developing and making this truly remarkable watch - the most impressive thing is, they test it for 1,25 times the stated waterproofness. Meaning they test it according to ISO6425 at 1500ATM (15000 meters), rather than the 1200 ATM (12000 meters/39370feet) stamped on the watch. And it is not a dry test, but a wet test. That is a pressure of 1500 KG (3370 IBS) per square centimeter, equivalent to the weight of an Audi A6 on the area of your tumbs fingernail. The watch was fixed to the robotic arm of the submersible vehicle, and the watch was running fine still, when they took it above the ocean surface again. Reaching an ocean dept of more than 10.900 meters, makes your DSSD, Hublot Oceanographic Diver, or even the CX Swiss Military 20.000 feet look like "toy watches":-) The reason this watch has such a monsterous size (more than 53mm) is to be able to withstand such extreme pressure. It also maybe makes it a "non-comercial" model for Rolex, that has very few models above 42mm (only the DSSD and the Yachtmaster II at Rolex website stated size 44mm) and the commercial value of such a big watch from such a conservative brand is questionable, if they ever choose to make a comercial edition. But, it would be a great watch to REP! Guess the makers cannot say "made from an GENUINE EXAMPLE, dissected to make this replication" . But they could try to make it out of the pictures. So, makers? When will we see this one repped? Many will ask themselves, why to they even make divers watches with depth ratings far beyond the reachable depth for any man? I think it is the same answer to why do they make cars able to go 250 miles an hour (Bugatti Veyron, Koenigsegg etc)? Most of the owners will never be able to try the cars to their topspeed - It is not a question "why", but rather an answer "because". They make them because they can. Almost like British explorer George Mallory in the 1920s, when he wanted to reach the summit of Mount Everest - He was asked why, and his answer was something like "because it's there".

Now, this caused some hefty and interesting debate, just what I had in mind .I think all of you are more or less right! On the other hand, some of the stuff I observe, makes the "conspiracy train" start running when I am in a "weak moment" One great example is the PAM243, in both Noob and H-Factory editions. Both of them have flaws, but not the same flaws. If you were to purchase both, then combining the parts from both, you would get one hell of a great REP. Almost like they were thinking "if we improve the flaws from the other maker, maybe some customers will aquire both watches and put the best parts from both togheter, and we are both earning on it". Of course I don't honestly beleive this, since most "mainstreem" buyers, pick up their models on impulse, and those are the biggest market for this industry (guy above mentioned sales in Chinatown NYC), but it is rather a lot of coinsidence that all flaws on each editions "complements" each other so well What about the Noob DSSD, and the Trevor V6/V7? Take the dial and pearl (perhaps also bezel) from one, the case and the rest from the other, and you have a nearly spot on model.. Other examples are when they make a V2, when they improve on some previous flaws. If they just used the V1 and made the changes, it would probably not add any new flaws, just eliminating the old flaws, would it not? But, if V1 is made by one maker, and V2 by another, that is a totally different thing. We see this all the time, when the makers do improvements on the models, they allways tend to add a couple of new flaws on the latest editions. I think I have come to the conclusion and it is a rather philosofic and diplomatic answer - There are many truths out there, but only one of them is relative to each individual's standpoint . You are all entitled to believe whatever you want, as long as it makes you happy, that is the best truth that is suitable for you. Remember when you were a child and believed in Santa Claus? When you finally learned something else, childhood luck maybe came to an end and the naked truth of adulthood engulfed the innocence and worryless time of no sceptisism. Maybe the source of unhappyness is not to beleive? If you believe in something fully and wholeheartedly, you have tossed the diabolic sceptisism aboard and has less worries. The source to many worries are sceptisism and not trusting something or someone. But then again, that is maybe the price mankind had to pay when tasting the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge. To aquire knowledge, man had to start beeing sceptic, and start not believing everything beeing told. If all mankind believed the earth was flat and that there was nothing on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, the great historic explorers, like Colombus, Vasco Da Gama and Marco Polo, would not have traveled the worlds oceans, discovering new worlds, and the development of modern civilasations would be much different that the world we see today. I guess they would not have invented the Tourbillon or the chinese replicas either . Thank you very much.

Most obvious tell is the dead flat ends on the chrono pushers. And the guy has the nerve to write " Ich garantiere hiermit das diese Uhr 100% Original ist. Und wenn nicht gibt es das Geld zurück. Meaning something like "I hereby guarantee that this watch is 100 % genuine. And if it is not, you get the money back":-)

Well, the lume on my PAM380N (custom install 292 ceramic caseset) is as impressive as it can get, from my standpoint. I have compared to my GEN SOSF. It is equal or better. Even so, there is bigger areas of lume on the PAM, but it lights up like a torch if you get into the shadow, when been in daylight or sunshine. This is probably the best rep lume for now. I hear H-Factory has the best replume currently, I believe this 380 is a H-factory make. Does not the Explorer II 42mm have blue superlume? Correct me if I am wrong: http://www.1-pc8838....ck-p-12157.html Add says "blue superlumed dial and needles".