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Zodiac was an old proud Swiss watch company which sort of went out of business and Fossil recently bought the name and revived it. Guess is they are Asian parts maybe assembled in Switzerland as the "Swiss Made" isn't what it used to be. I don't care for the new ones. I liked the vintage ones. The quartz divers look nice but I dislike quartz. The automatic ones that just came out look like some Seiko abomination, IMO. Those hands! Those hands.

It only says "Marina Militare" on the dial and was supposed to have a sterile solid caseback but instead came with the glass back with the Panerai wriitng around the back, which I told him I didn't want and he said no probs. I also specified sapphire front and he was like no probs. When seller says yes we can do that that is what you will get (had photos too - of exactly what I wanted and I mailed him the photos of what I wanted and he said okay baby it's yours - well not in those words but the same thing) and then everyone here is saying no it doesn't work like that it means mucho confusion.

Hey, tell MarcelloC that Rolex homages are illegal, or Timefactors with their PRS-14 (SM300), or the many others. I know what I'm talking about. The Ken Trading thing was a unique situation and they can do that in Japan. BTW I think Ken got fvcked on the crown protector thing if it's somehow protected but the Radomirs are A-okay to homage. That being said maybe the MM homage I wanted would be inside that grey areas due to the crown protector. "Wit", street slang for "with". Pretty simple. Example: "Hands off the ho, beeyotch, she's wit me." The dumbshit comment was not necessary. See how you react with 6 or so people taking jabs at you. Me and the other guy patched it up so we can too.

It's not so much quantity, namely due to the fact taht when the watches are over a grand, then over 2 grand, and me not being rich b/c I have to pay for the house payment, and gas, and insurance, and the wife/kid, bigscreen TV (essential)..... it all adds up. Hopefully no one here knows me but you might by some pics. And BTW I'm not trying to act like I'm all that b/c I know that there are people here who have some serious moolah tied up in both reps and gens. I sold that large Citizen to my cousin. Sold the OM Used to own an SMP, Tissot Seastar, vintage Seastar chrono, etc etc etc - sometimes ya have to sell some to get new ones. There have been plenty of others too.

Well there we go if you be cool wit me then I be cool wit you. I'm really not that bad a guy and like I said I never outed the guy. I actually have a nice little watch collection and hang on most major watch boards. I just don't like being had. That said maybe it was an honest mistake. I can tell you something though, if he makes it right without a catch of it costing me more money I will up and say I was wrong. I have no problem eating crow. I never intended for this to become a flame session with the other members but see how you react with 5 or 6 people coming at you from all angles. It makes yer head spin and you start jabbing back. One two, one two. Although at this point I figure I'm flirtin' with being banned or somethin. I've never been banned from anywhere yet.

Successful businesspeople take their customers seriously and treat them well, and make sure the orders are correct the first time. I can understand if one of the things was wrong but I was very specific and they essentially sent me the opposite of what I took great pains to describe I wanted. I'm sorry if very few, if any, of you seem to get that. You are comparing watches with Swiss movements that you wear on your wrist to drive through junk food? I rarely visit drive through anyway. I haven't been a student for about 15 years. I keep hearing this illegal thing when I tried to buy a sterile non branded watch. Those aren't illegal. Lookalikes aren't illegal. Furthermore, and this is like the 10th time I repeat it, I NEVER SAID WHO THE DEALER WAS, did I? I can sort of understand the hostility if I named him but I never named him. I am complaining anonymously. It started as a vent and I know I shouldn't bother responding constantly but what the hell. Let it die and I'll let it die. If they want to keep bashing me hey we can all have fun flaming each other ad nauseum, rack up the posts, whatever. I realize that college aged kids and the recently graduated age groups like to do that hip thing. Let's all get jiggy with it.

Look who has such a great life he feels the NEED to keep engaging those who they claim haven't one.

No. I only intended to use the watch for myself. I don't really dig replicas which use the legit brand name. The Panerai is a unique case because of the history and that even the gen 1950 is a sort of a replica, and then you get all this Richemont group stuff. That being said I like the design, dont care for the name, don't intend to mislead people into thinking I own a Panerai either. >>I would give you a break if you didn't appear to be such a tool. You are oh so mature. Let's see, while I was complaining I never said who the dealer was. The whole group thing takes over and people here think they are defending some type of replica clique honor or something. Whatever. IF that's what turns on those who take that stance, to attack someone who was wronged, then so be it. Some of you obviously have very low standards, and really for those who do (not to bash those who replied without trying to turn it around on me) it's really no surprise. If you don't demand honest dealings with some of these guys they'll just keep up the low standard of service b/c you keep sending your money to them. Again, I know what online risk taking is, and when dealing with vintage or used watches I have been very understanding about certain things which you have to. When sending thousands of dollars for a rare watch or a vintage Breitling there is obviously an element of risk that you assume, and for the most part honorable sellers come through. I started by being angry but never mentioning the person's name and saying that if they came through I still wouldn't do it, but instead in this forum the norm is to blindly take the side of the anonymous seller and attack the forum member who is obviously angry at being treated in a manner not befitting someone who was open and honest in communication and who paid promptly and waited patiently and even though in the mood to complain never mentioned the seller. I could understand some of these replies and attitudes more if I immediately outed the seller but I never did that. Some of the respondants got that and noted it but the rest decided to "defend the faith". Whatever. If that's what most people here are like it sounds like a tennager or twenty something gathering place more than a watch enthusiast board. I admit that ranting wasn't the most mature thing but I was [censored]. Sue me.

I never said anything about WHO the dealer was. I never intend to at this point.

Hey [censored]. HOMAGES aren't illegal. Go back and reread the posts.

I wasn't trying to get a REPLICA. I merely wanted an unmarked homage which this guy had pictures of and assured me he had and I would get. I can't show the pics b/c that would probably out him. I really don't know what is so hard to understand here. I guess some people like throwing their money away. All I wanted was what I asked for and what he promised. It's not a little wrong, man. It's totally wrong. I might be able to live with it if the crystal was sapphire but mineral no way. I'm not saying that I spent a mint on it but I didn't make the price. I would have paid more for the correct specification. I have only one replica, it's a Fiddy, and except for the obviously wrong movt decoration it's a fine quality watch with sapphire. I merely wanted one that only said Marina Militare with a solid unmarked back and sapphire and this guy had a pic of what I wanted and said that is what I would get and assured me it was sapphire. Still waiting for his reply. Funny thing was when I was inquiring the replies came very fast.... I wouldn't pay over US$50 for a mineral crystal watch. Mineral is the worst crystal material. I would take acrylic over mineral, at least you can buff out the scratches.

Nice little sarcasm. If being in the rep game means sending my money off for one thing and getting another then no it isn't. I don't know anyone with any intelligence who would enjoy throwing their money away. I thought it worked like this. You see something you want, you contact seller and ask, he confirms, you order, you wait, you get what you ordered. Anyone who accepts less, well, I'll refrain from going any further. Mineral crystal is crap. I don't want a replica I wanted a homage which he said was no problem. The strap itself doesn't bother me as I would switch that anyway but that just added the final kick in the nutz. BTW I never said a name and if I recall it's everyone else who is trying so hard to guess who it is..... Give me a friggin break, buddy. I waited two frekin weeks for this thing and it's not just a little wrong it's all wrong. With the Panny markings on the back I can't even sell it on the non rep forums b/c they call it a fake. Some of you guys act like I insulted your mothers or something.

Well, I just went into the bathroom here at work and peeled the plastic partially off the crystal and guess what! It's MINERAL! The water didn't bead it spread out all over it. He assured me it would be sapphire. Strike Three! I specifically asked, more than once and repeated myself clearly so that there would be no misunderstanding I wanted a solid sterile back, sapphire front. I get mineral front and glass back with panerai markings on rear - and to add insult to injury the strap it came with was defective. We'll see what he says. I have to send him another email about the crystal now. Anyone want to buy a watch? It's a quite nice watch if it's what you're after and you have other 26mm straps.

Time is enjoyment. Time is precioussssss. Time can be money. You never get a refund on lost time.....

Yeah, he's here. I am not saying his name and if he really makes good and corrects his mistake to my liking I will never mention his name directly in relation to this. As far as my attitude. I paid my money. I communicated verbosely and frequently. The Gmail thread between him and I spans about 22 messages. He KNEW what I wanted. Is it so bad to pay your money, wait about 2 weeks, and then want it to come as you told him and as he confirmed? This is just about doing business. As far as I am concerned it has little to do with reps and everything to do with the seller being a good seller and making sure the stuff goes out as ordered. I mean even the strap had the 2 screws missing which attach one side to the lug. I'm really [censored] off and I think I have a right to be, regardless of his response. I have a new watch I was excited to get and it's sitting in a drawer still in the packaging. Not the type of experience I was looking forward to. I didn't buy this thing to mod or to have to send out to a watchmaker the first thing I got it. I expressly said I wasn't after a replica but a homage so I didn't want ANY Panerai markings. You'rr right, reps aren't for me but homages and lookalikes are okay with me. the seller said he could do it and so far he failed. I didn't do anything wrong. I held up my end of the bargain. I was a good customer and paid right away. I did my due diligence and communicated everything and he understood and knew what I wanted. This leaves me no choice but to conclude that he was just being careless. Little does he know that I know many a WIS who would probably place homage orders with him if I report a good experience. I already have several who are waiting on my experience. So far I don't have much in the way of anything good to tell them. Thank goodness I have another contact who is going to be making another homage which I think might be better than what this guy has in more configurations, but still he could have parlayed it into more sales which I assume any businessman wants. Remember, you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. Nowhere is that more truthful than in business when you take people's money. Oh yeah, the other rule is the customer is always right.