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Stay away! Besides of being outrageous to the Pam style, feel, and look, surely it will be an eye catcher: in the meaning that it is such a nightmare to read the time that you are going to spend minutes or half-hours to read it. Better leaving skeletons to the brands that deserve it, believe me...

Thanks, B.! -- But what I can see there is a gorgeous 028! Thanks, bazonkers!... I suppose my bad English played a trick on me once again... What I was actually meaning was: "Why the heck do they call it bronzed when it rather looks an unique and beautiful PVD that clearly has nothing to do with bronze??!!??" In any case, kudos to Rolli who has been able to get a unique piece repped!

Unique and beautiful!... (but why 'bronze'?)

Yes, this thread is a stunner! Keep the spice flow going!!!

Wow! Even a 203...

Maybe it would be easier to save it on your HD (right-click, then 'save object as...'), edit it, and re-attach it? At least you will not have it embedded in IE.

They are not poor, rmc, they are awesome! And this project of yours is very exciting. Please keep us updated about your progresses.

4 SF 240?!? Anyway... first of all let me say that I have no interest in defending what I said, all that I can gain from it is just to give away a movement. That said, I surely agree that a low-res picture with a slight (very slight, IMO) perspective can be misleading. Not up to a 2mm difference, though! Maybe that OP felt 8mm as being too close to the center pinion, so they added a couple transfer gears to bring the subdial a little outwards? What we actually need is not a movement repping the pin-pin distance of the Angelus 240, it rather is a movement repping the pin-pin distance of the Egiziano's dial ( they are not necessarily the same, as I just pointed out). And a movement able to do so without any need for transfer gears would be an added bonus, I think. Anyway, if you are not on the same advice as mine, no problem at all. Offer retired. Friends as before.

A pic of my SHT-Mod Dep buckle. Sorry, you won't find it anywhere: one of a kind.

Thanks for your appreciation, Vicky. Yes, I would say yes. Apart from the crown and CG spacing, naturally. Yes, but I would add it to the "side-by-side comparison" only. Furthermore, even on the gens the AR tint is something quite variable. I would add: if you see a tourbillon from the front side, it's not a gen. Unless the watch is rectangle-shaped, almost orange dial, and you also see a private aircraft, 100+ hot chicks, and a private army to defend it... FxrAndy's guide with my add-ons (how could I attach it to your post, Andy?): Rep_spotting_Guide.xls

Hi Stephane, still lurking PAMs after getting rid of almost all your PAMs? Quite a good rep -- just, it is a PAM 236, not a 250 (the only difference is the bracelet). The dial is almost perfect. Just 4 flaws: 2 unrecoverable and 2 recoverable. Unrecoverable 1: the date pusher is not exactly @10H, it is rather midway between 10H and 9H. Unrecoverable 2: the numbers on the caseback are incorrect, they used the caseback from the PAM 188 and 196. The 236 and 250 started from I-series, there are no G-series. Recoverable 1: the datewheel. The date font is, as usual, ridicolously thin. And the datewheel looks a little recessed (sunken) below the dial. Recoverable 2 (or even negligible): as usual, the crown is a tiny bit thinner than the gen.

Unfortunately absolutely no link between OP and Italian Air Force, on any times (unless you consider it a link OP making lume for military instruments and pointing devices to almost all the Italian Army before and along WWII). But specifically about OP watches, no link with Italian Air Force, even on air-carried incursor frogmen. And, as you know, the frogmen who were wearing Radiomirs were all but air-carried...

On PAM Luminors, the thing that you can spot 5m away is the crown thickness. But let's suppose it's a good rep and I you have it in your hands. In this case (and in order): 1 - Floppy CG lever (again on Luminors, obviously). 2 - On 6497 movements: swan neck regulator, recessed pinion. 3 - On date models: date font and mag. 4 - Lume. 5 - Numbers on the caseback (series, millesimation, etc). (I feel the "A" undetectable other than on a side-to-side comparison with a gen). And I am quite sure I am missing something here...

PM sent Cats.

Apologies for my -- as usual -- poor English. I was just asking if you are happy with your first PAMs.

Great watches, congrats! Are they to your appointment?

To anyone interested on the PAM # of those models: 276 270 277 274

Wow! Can't wait to see the rest! Really thanks for sharing this exceptional event with us!

REALLY thanks, tech!!! Whew, it worked!

Thanks Adm / Mods....

Well, maybe we can have a couple good news. First: Honestly, I don't know where and how Davidsen took that 8.2mm measure from: It can be easily seen that the center pin - subdial pin distance is about 10.5mm, i.e. decently close with the 10.2mm of the 6497. (It's not by chance that, as a matter of fact, the 6497 is exactly the movement used in the rep of another Angelus PAM, the 203). Second (and even better): I happen to have an 8-day movement by Normis, Swiss, that is about 43mm diameter and with a center pin - subdial pin distance of about 10.5mm. On those measures, that movement looks a perfect fit to our needs. I might give it to Davidsen, if he is able to rep it and you think this can let this project run...

That's not perfect.

Uhm... How much the distance between the central pinion and the second hand pinion is, exactly, tootall?

The receding of the PAM tide (if any) is due to the fact that the new models are very difficult to rep -- at least at the level of accuracy wanted by the PAM nuts (and almost all PAM lovers are PAM nuts). That is the exact opposite of models up to 2005, that had simple movements and quite simple dials (at least the Base and Marina models that also were the most bought). I think this is the reason for the rep makers heading elsewhere now. Naturally, this is rather a shit in focus for reps.

Really. Well, at least those folks know what a watch is... The next generation is going to have mobile phones directly implanted into their brains...