none

I will email Ken asking if he can contact Honpo about it.

Maybe he can make a Honpo edition with Honpo on a dial?

Cheers!

Honpo on a dial? I hope you're kidding haha! Well, maybe I should contact Ken as well, just to emphasize this watch would be very polular. I am quite sure that if this watch will be replicated well, hundreds of it will be sold!

Hi people,

I don't know how it works, but who on this board has direct conections with these factories? How can we let them read this specific thread???

In other words: how do they know what we really want???

Thanks

Yes!! If there is a quality version available of this piece i'd be very happy

I am definitely in if they make a good quality rep of this one!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi people,

I just received a rolex lady date just. However, the watch has the wrong bezel. The dealer proposes to send the right bezel, because the rest of the watch is identical.

Unfortunately I am very nontechnical in this matter, I am not sure if I can remove the old bezel and replace it with the new one.

Should the dealer send a new watch? What is your opinion? Please let me know.

more IWC ... more please

Unbelievable, just before bedtime I started this thread and now almost 40 posts have already been made. I think this says enough dealers! We want more and better IWC reps! I can't shout hard enough!!!

Hi people,

I think this watch is very very nice:

1) http://shopping.e-conveni.net/item_info.ht..._id=870000&

2) http://shopping.e-conveni.net/item_info.ht..._id=870003&

What do you people think?

TTK: and where's the PAM111H with the CORRECT dial?

Hi members,

What's this: http://www.rockxwatch.com/?

I mean, these watches look like very good quality and are clearly based on watches like Rolex, Panerai and AP. Can anyone tell me more about this company?

Thanks

Well, the movements you buy labelled Swiss have never actually been to Switzerland. They are made in China, just like our Asian movements, but they're made for ETA, a Swiss company.

If your image of Asian movements is a kowloon sweatshop and your image of Swiss is an artisanale old gent in a cottage in the alps, with chocolate and cuckoo clocks and yodelling in the distance, then I'm sorry to shatter your illusion.

ETAs are made in China, in some cases possibly alongside our Asian movements.

Hahhahahahaha, so funny, I was really laughing out loud, Pugwash, you have a great way of saying what it comes down to!!!

Now I've got interested as well.... shipping a rep to canada by airmail and back again is also a costly and tricky thing. Visiting a local shop and dropping of / collecting the watch personally is thus an advantage, I guess without the risk of customs seizing the watch or having the watch damaged in transport.

How do you handle these issues?

Good question! I want to know this too. Are there any things one should know to avoid custom issues?

I disagree. Is this one of the best IWC reps? You bet. To be able to pass as a genuine? Far from it. You would probably fool 99% of people who do not know much about IWC or people buying it just because they can. A lot has to do with how you present youself to others with a rep on your wrist. But in terms of focusing just on the watch itself, you will be fooling yourself that a less than USD$200 can be passed off for the gen, esp with NO AR (huge huge giveaway esp from a distance), numeral indices and subdial imprints are substantially different in terms of quality (... and with the movement, the finish is def. not up to par).

One rule I tend to go by (which work so far for me): If a watch can't pass the test by looking at pics (at diff. angles), you can forget about passing off as a gen.

I can't add anything to this. The fact that the guy did not notice it does not say anything. Believe me, I saw the gen next to my rep. There is a CLEAR difference in finish. Also the glass/crystal is very different, the dial looks a lot better etc.

That does not mean it's a bad rep, not at all! It's just still pretty far away from being as perfect as e.g. a high-end 16610 rep.

I agree--

I have to say that I am pretty dissapointed in the dial quality on my silver handed Jones with the decorated movement from EL.

It looks cheap. Even my wife said so.

I thought so from the pictures, but I was hoping it would have better presence in person. With all the folks here dwelling on modding virtually unnoticable issues (like short cannon pins on PAMS), I figured this was an amazing rep by the way that our community went gaga over it.

Sorry, but my standards are higher than this rep.

I totally agree with you! It's all pretty obvious...

Gran, You have a very nice IWC Jones!

What movement is that?

It is difficult to tell a rep these days. Even "Collector" cannot tell the different sometime.

I don't understand that a real watch collector is that easy to convince. I also own a rep IWC FA Jones. Two weeks ago I carefully compared my rep with the gen. I put my rep next to the gen in a store in The Hague (Holland). The gen looked different: better finish (which is easy to see) and the dial looked better like this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/wat...ie/DSCN1936.jpg

My friend and I both agreed that the rep did look a little bit cheap compared to the real deal... You have to see the gen FA Fones in order to see the difference. Anyway, I still think it's a good rep.

It would make 6 already.

I may be in, however, can anyone please tell me if this watch is not too big for a 7 inch (18 cm) wrist?

Thanks!

Hi people,

I already asked some people if they happen to own a good PAM 111H sandwich dial. The dial Davidsen sent to me was pretty bad (incorrect font, bad sandwich structure and asymmetric lines). I also asked TTK, but haven't received an answer yet.

Does anyone on this forum have a very good sandwich dial for my PAM111H which (and this is very important to me) has the "L SWISS MADE L" at the right position? The right position is below the 6, without touching the 6, like this one:

I am desperate to get one of these dials! Please let me know by replying to this forum or by sending me a PM.

Thanks a lot!

(Reposted in the right section)

Hi people,

I already asked some people if they happen to own a good PAM 111H sandwich dial. The dial Davidsen sent to me was pretty bad (incorrect font, bad sandwich structure and asymmetric lines). I also asked TTK, but haven't received an answer yet.

Does anyone on this forum have a very good sandwich dial for my PAM111H which (and this is very important to me) has the "L SWISS MADE L" at the right position? The right position is below the 6, without touching the 6, like this one:

I am desperate to get one of these dials! Please let me know by replying to this forum or by sending me a PM.

Thanks a lot!

I think my post is lost in the turmoil in this thread haha. I hope someone can still respond to my post:

Ok, I can deal with a few minor scratches on the hands. By the way, I got a superlumed dial from davidsen. It is supposed to be a sandwich dial.

Please Finepics, The Zigmeister and other experts on this forum, can you tell me your honest opinion on the quality of this dial (on the right site one can see a pretty good standard dial from PT's PAM111 which is NOT superlumed)?

I wonder, does superluming make the two layers almost equal?

I think:

- The depth of the sandwich dial is very very low, almost not noticeable.

- The font is incorrect

- Some lines are not "cut out" well

Please look at the link below (zoom in for detail!):

http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/1686/dialwd5.jpg

Thanks a lot!

Ok, I think I can deal with a few minor scratches on the hands. By the way, I got a superlumed dial from davidsen. It is supposed to be a sandwich dial.

Please Finepics, The Zigmeister and other experts on this forum, can you tell me your honest opinion on the quality of this dial (on the right site one can see a pretty good standard dial from PT's PAM111 which is NOT superlumed)?

I wonder, does superluming make the two layers almost equal?

I think:

- The depth of the sandwich dial is very very low, almost not noticeable.

- The font is incorrect

- Some lines are not "cut out" well

Please look at the link below (zoom in for detail!):

http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/1686/dialwd5.jpg

Thanks a lot!

Thanks people,

BTW, The Zigmeister, can I send you a PM for a question? Your inbox is full at the moment.

Thanks a lot!

Yes.. plus a few scratches on the hands and maybe dial (inevitable on the relume)

Of course I mean L dials... Chad knows what he is saying

Scratches on hands and dial, omg, are you serious? I mean, I am quite picky and scratches on hands and dial should not be visible! Scratches on a dial and hands are not worth any reluming.

Keep us updated

I will be on top of it

Hi there,

I probably have a simple question for the experts here: I got some scratches on the clasp of my Sub. How can I get rid of them with simple tools?

Thanks a lot!

I like mine from davidsen a lot!

Very sharp pics, I will soon have to take some good pics too... of my ultimate PAM111H

Wow, what a big difference that is!

I would do it as well, if only........I had the nuts to take my 187 apart!!!!

Please tell me again how you did it, small tutorial how to remove bezel and crystal...PLEASE!!!!

Thx for sharing,

Theo

WOW I wish I had one myself...

Sorry for not giving any updates. I will look at it tomorrow

Ok guys, I just sent Quarks a PM. I will see if his pics are appropriate.