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My BK TT sub is great. Received it last July. Gorgeous. One nice shade of gold. Well made, keeps great time, feels excellent. Right up there with the many other great comments the watch received back at that time. Sounds like sometime the parts became scarce and different pieces were substituted in attempt to finish deliveries. That's a shame. Now this watch will have a pre-WM9 problems version and a post-WM9 problems version. A shame for such a great watch.

Anyone know the fair price for this with SS bracelet? $356 good...bad...so-so?

+1 TeeJay. No place for anyone trying to claim credit. The forum is all about community, and not personal issues/needs. Let's hope the remaining buyer gets sorted out too!

2 down! 1 to go? Best of luck! Credit goes to you guys, wimpie, for hanging in there so long and staying focused on the goal.

You pretty much got it, Lanikai. When we all start piling on, nothing meaningful occurs other than some venting. However, if we take a reasoned approach based on experience with and understanding of human nature (both the good and bad sides of it, cultural differences, the need to save face, etc, etc), and approach resolution of problems such as this as efforts in negotiation and mediation (which we know are professional fields of endeavor), then positive things may happen. That was all...sort of a commentary on our little "community herd". Best wishes to all parties, 9pg

Can't say I am surprised. Hope you sort it out.

It's up to us. We can run the seller off, or make it easier for the buyers to be taken care of. Sometimes we can't have everything we want when we want it. This seller has gone from "screw you" to, at least, promising to refund and making good on one refund. Personally, I feel good for the buyer/member who got some money. And I'll feel better if all the others get their due, and worse if impatient members with no horse in the race screw up the works. ;-)

Great Suchecracks. Solid proof it was worth working with the guy, and giving him some time and patience rather than constant bashing, just as you sought. But that's just one of the sales problems, so now let's see how Xslyyx does with the others. Xslyyx - if you sort out and refund the others, you can put this problem behind you and move ahead on the forums. 9pg

xslyyx This is likely your only chance to keep your reputation on the forums. You have made a promise. Now you just need to keep it. You should stop any attempt to sell any watch on any of the forums between now and the end of February. If, in two and a half weeks, the buyers come here and tell you they haven't received watch, you make a full refund to them. If you make this promise in good faith, and if you follow-through when the time comes, I am sure you can rely on the buyers to act in good faith also. They have already promised to send the money back to you if the watch arrives. They have already proved they are not scammers. They committed to buy a watch from you and sent you the money upfront. You will have to check in with the guys who run RG (sfa???) to see about your status there. I would hope that if you keep this commitment, everyone can just hang loose for a couple weeks as long as they don't feel you are making this promise just to be able to keep selling watches in the meantime. So you have to stop selling. Then let the situation play out, make refunds if you have to, and then recover your reputation in the community. It's a win-win! Too bad for the buyers that they have to wait a couple more weeks, but it is a lot better than not getting their money back with no watch in sight! 9p

Since you told these buyers who have yet to receive their watches to screw off until the end of February, and then contact you if not received, is that your commitment to give 100% refund to all these buyers at that time if watches not received? Robert Deniro (your avatar) is an actor. Sometimes he portrays a crook or con artist, but he doesn't live his life that away. Get real.

Just call it the way I see it, Lani, like everyone else here is encouraged to do. Trying to fit in without stirring things up. But I thought someone might have been confused by TT's post 'bout censorship following mine, so glad to be able to clear it up.

Lest anyone be confused, be clear that my expressions of disappointment have not in any manner been a request for censorship and should not be taken as such. No red herrings. Where are the fish emoticons when you need them? 9p

For me, I can't say I have seen anything expressed that would arise from fear. I have seen feelings of disappointment, disrespect, and concerns over motivations. Perhaps those are the overarching reasons that have led to the posts herein. I started my rep "involvement" here at RWG. Since then, I've found and joined all the other forums. I've read with keen interest, and sometimes fascination, about the knowledge and skill sharing that goes on. I've read the many keen perspectives offered. I checked out the old TTK threads. I waded through the "cartel" debacle. I bought a watch from Josh (don't kill me RWI'ers ) and I liked it. I'm on Bk's list for another watch. I am a member everywhere and looking for a "home base" from which to foray. Drama is for the insecure and I don't have much use for it except in the theatre. With heartfelt honesty, I don't see how this thread on this site could have gone anywhere other than where it has. And the people who run this place know these things much better than I. It's a shame to see the sense of support and comraderie between the forums harmed in this manner. As for me - I'd much prefer seeing pics of a midget dragging a 50mm Uboat around on his arm! 9p PS: I did not say one word about a midget in drag!

Yep. A very useful thread, full of innuendo, suspicion and opinion: few truly objective facts that I can discern, but perhaps those present are useful. Someone, somewhere, had a clear motivation for this thread. If it was to give LoS an opportunity to speak, that has happened. If it was to badmouth RWI, that has happened. If it was to attract RWI members to RWG, that has happened. If it was to cause animosity, that has happened. If it was to claim self-righteous non-censorship, that has happened. Whatever the reason, it seems the purpose is served. Trainwreck a comin'?

I have difficulty seeing a thread in an internet forum as a fact-finding investigation. No one is under oath or subject to penalty. Posters have personal motivations. Emotions and rumors run rampant. This will not lead to truth, but rather many opinions and lots of hearsay ("X" told me he saw it or "X" told "Y" who told me). Nothing wrong with that, as long as we don't lose sight of it. "Chase after truth like hell and you'll free yourself, even though you never touch its coat-tails." - Clarence Darrow