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Finally broke out the DSLR and took some more pics, enjoy

Hi,

mind to take another photo of the back?

seems like the "horse" is very flat?

the clone version/ETA seems to have more 3D horse?

thanks

I should have time tomorrow to take more pictures but I can tell you that the 'flat-ness' of the horse is all the picture, it is very 3D.

The 4813 is a rep of a Miyota (Citizen) movement, what your hearing is commonly refered to as 'Miyota stutter' and it's totally normal for the movement. I have/had the same gen movement in two other gen watches and they both also make the noise as well. I suppose that it's an indication of a good rep if they manage to get even the annoyances correct

Miyota Stutter

Looks very good. How is the bracelet on it? good quality or should I go with a different combo? I was leaning on getting one with a leather or rubber strap on it. Looks very good, how long did it take from order to delivery? Wondering if I can get one by end of January lol

Having never held a gen I can't say how it directly compares but it's very solid and high quality from what I'm able to see. The clasp seems 'finicky' if that's the right word, my Seiko SKX clasp seemed to work better in regards to the method of working, that I *have* to press the button to attach/remove the watch is odd I would have thought that I could just press harder and it would snap closed. That's not to say that this is a bad rep of the gen clasp, again I've never handled a gen so I can't say but it works and isn't going to fall off anytime soon.

With respect to getting the bracelet or the strap, I always get the bracelet on first purchase and buy a/the strap later. It's usually cheaper when dealing with gens, doesn't seem to be the case with reps -- one price for either, but I assume that buying a gen bracelet is much more than the gen strap.

Looking good! Thanks for the pics. Have you resized the bracelet yet? Is it pins or screws?

Yes, I took out a half link and it fits perfectly for me. It uses pins not screws.

Nice, thanks for the pics, how's the date font and change over on the Asian DG4813?

Seems fine, is there something specific that I should look for? Date change works, I spun through all the days when setting it and I manually advanced it a full 24 hour cycle and it switched fine.

Looks excellent, I'm impressed, great value for the money!, will this directly take an ETA if the DG4813 is to crap out later. Assume the hands would be different?

Not sure you'll need to ask someone who takes these apart. From what I've heard if you were to swap to ETA you would need new hands but I can't confirm that.

Placed my order on Dec. 17th, after many 'F5' hits to EMS and USPS (which you know makes it travel faster!) it arrived today.

First impressions... It's heavy! Makes my old Seiko SKX diver feel light Watch was running when I got it, the movement hacks and sounds like it handwinds as well. I set the time to the Atomic clock so I'll see how well it keeps time but I'm really not a big accuracy freak so as long as it's not loosing minutes a day I wont care. Bracelet is tight to the case, not used to having to push the buttons to secure the bracelet as well as remove it but that's ok. I thought I had a clasp problem but I had extended the divers extension and put it back wrong so my momentary heart attack was averted Bezel rotates smoothly, 120 clicks I assume.

Question, the He valve? It turns but I just screwed it down. I won't be diving with this watch (never took my open water dive so I never got certified, but anyway...) so I assume I should just leave it screwed down?

I've never seen a gen outside of pics on the internet but I'll be damned if I could tell, if I had to say what would give this away in my eyes is that the second hand seems to curve upward at the tip towards the crystal -- this could simply be an optical illusion but for me that is the only thing that would give it away.

On to the admittedly poor pics. These are from my P&S, the DSLR is tucked away for now and I'm a bit busy with a kitchen painting project. If there are any pics I can provide just ask.

According to Josh this will accept GEN parts like the crystal and the bezel. I hope that is true!

His price is a little steep though - $298 + $45 EMS shipping. Any other dealers that you guys recommend?

That's for the ETA movement, you can get a 25j asian clone for $50 or Josh is currently selling the UVPO with the DG4813 movement for $128+shipping

From what I understand the DG4813 is a clone of the Miyota 8125? That in itself wouldn't be a bad upgrade either really. The Miyota is a very good movement on it's own, sure it's not swiss but given the prices were talking about here it almost becomes a game of how little can you spend and still have a great watch?

I'm pretty excited, this is my first rep and I think I picked a winner.

I also posted these in signumboy's thread, I got my QC pics today, here's a taste. This is $128 version with the DG4813 movement:

Not to hijack signumboy's thread too much but I got my QC pics today, here's a taste. This is $128 version with the DG4813 movement:

Nice one. Is this the $128 version? Please do share some pix when you get it. Thanks!

Yep, when I saw the price I didn't even hesitate. I just sold a moddem Seiko SKX at WUS so I had some funds burning a digital hole in the pocket

I don't know that it is worse, just lower grade. On the non-chrono's it should be reliable. simple movement.....but reliable.

Did some googling, the 4813 is a clone of the miyota (citizen) 8125 movement of which I have (and had) in at least 2 watches and it works fine so not a problem. I placed my order a little bit ago, can't wait.

I'm looking at Joshua's site right now and the price seems to have dropped quite a bit, also it would seem that the movement is no longer listed as the 25j ETA or Asian clone, it's now listed as an Asian 4813 clone. The price is definitely right but is the movement significantly worse?

From the horses mouth so to speak:

Hi.

yes Swiss eta.. All pics are loaded on the website..

The pics shown on my site is indeed swiss eta.

joshua

So that clears it up then.

I hope your stay here is a good one, and that you enjoy the pieces you purchase. There are hundred of photos here of genuine ETA watch movements in replicas bought by members. You can look at them if you like.

Lastly.. Take your time and read. I may be an old crab around here, but I always insist that noobs take 2 weeks to a month of pure reading time before posting things like this.. There's simply too much information on here (that many would consider basic) for you to post questions like this for. If you'd really dedicated this month to being informed, you'd already know the movement possibilities of many of the replicas here..

Please don't let me discourage you though. Keep reading and learning, and you'll be glad you stayed!

I have searched, that's why I asked. I've been reading here and at RepGeeks (which I might add there is enough cross over with members and posts that they might as well be one site) and I've read different information stating that the 'Swiss' movement is actually just a fancier Asian clone and not Swiss at all. I've been using the internet, if you can call it that back then, since the days of Gopher I'm not a noob by any stretch I just haven't been at this site very long. Look a month of reading/searching wont answer my question because all the searching I do seems to just contradict itself. I've tried to find a photo of Joshua's 42mm PO with a gen Swiss ETA 2824 movement in it but I haven't found a thread that shows me a pic of a new watch, not modded, that is indeed what I'm looking for.

I have every intention of buying that watch I just want to know if it's worth spending the extra $50 on what I'm unable to verify is indeed a gen Swiss ETA movement, so far in this thread there is nothing but hearsay. I'll just email Joshua directly as that would seem to be the only way to be certain.

One good point for the clone that it will be new

An ETA may well be old stock that is in need of a service any way

There is some interesting info here about asian movements, it is a bit of a read but well worth it and there is link later on in that post to a more in depth look

personaly i am not put off by the asian movement at all

Now that's an interesting point that does warrant consideration, age of the movement I would never have thought of that.

I just have this odd feeling that there is no way your going to get a real ETA movement from a rep site. ETA 2824 movements, though basic workhorses, still command a premium in gen watches so I can't see how a rep will sell for less than a gen watch with the same movement. If, for example, the rep PO sold for $500+ and was verified to have a gen ETA 2824-2 movement I'd believe that. I know however that finding a new gen watch with a 2824-2 under $500 is almost impossible so I just can't believe that the rep is going to have a gen ETA movement. I've owned gen watches with gen 2824 movements before and aside from buying used there is no way that I found to get one under $500. The rep dealers have to know this as well, the market will and does support a certain price for watches with gen ETA 2824 movements. Rep or not a businessman is not going to give up money out of kindness.

Again, I'll wait for reviews on the latest model of the 42mm PO and see what people are saying but I'm thinking that the Asian movement might be the way to go.

Is it the case that brand new watches need to be "worked in" so that the automatic winding mechanism loosens so that it can be wound easier by casual motions?

If the mechanism needs to be loosened up to work properly then there is something wrong with the movement.

Yes you're correct. The term "clone" is used by us to describe the Chinese Seagull movement that has high compatibility with the Swiss 2824 movement. Seagull is a chinese movement manufacturer that produces high quality movements based on swiss complications. But I think there are even clones of the Seagulls!

As you can see it gets quite complicated when it comes to movements.

In regards to your last statement, Josh can be trusted, and is a trusted dealer here. (one of MANY). So far, it appears that Josh and Andrew are the only ones offering the new PO 42mm, but many might be following suit very soon.

As Jkay and others have stated there's confusion out there, but the ETA model is probably your best bet if you plan to make this watch a keeper

Good luck!

Thank you, I'm going to wait for some reviews of the new batch of PO's and go from there.

Think you're uninformed. The question has nothing to do with see-through caseback or not. The movement issue is quite complicated. The basica Asian 21j is not a copy of any ETA swiss movement. It's a basic chinese movement that costs about $20 new from any watch supplier.

The ETA swiss movement is also readily available online and from many suppliers. An ETA-2824 can cost from anywhere between $90-140usd new and unused.

The ETA clone movement, is a chinese movement replicated by chinese factories often based on the ETA-2824. The movement is generally considered very good if serviced and many parts of it are interchangeable with the Swiss models, although not many.

The ETA7750 is also "cloned" in a chinese version, although it's not nearly as close to being a clone as the 2824 models.

In my opinion, going for the GEN ETA is always a good move if you think you're going to keep a watch for quite a while. With proper servicing cleaning and lubrication, the swiss movement could last you a lifetime.

The see through caseback was mostly a joke though it does have merit. If I can't see the movement AND if the movement is not a gen ETA why bother paying more for something that I can't see? Honestly if it were offered and would work the Seiko 7s26 would almost be preferred simply given that it will work forever (figuratively) with little to no servicing.

Dealers offer ETA, Clone ETA and pure Asian movements .. I think you are slightly mistaken and are unaware of the ETA clone option.

Forum approved dealers who sell you the wrong movement intentionally will not be forum dealers for long. Why trust them if they are not trustworthy.

I don't currently have enough posts to link so this will be less direct than normal. In the "PO 42mm Ultimate" thread, from the seller discussed in the thread which I'm assuming is 'Joshua' at the 'pc8838' website there are 2 movements offered a "Nickel Plated Swiss ETA 2824-2 Automatic Movement" and the other being a "Asian 2824-2 25j" clone, which I assume to be most likely a Seagull clone or Hanzou? So my question is this, is the "Swiss" movement as offered really an ETA 2824-2 similar to what I could buy from ofrei?

Given that Joshua doesn't label the movement as a 'Clone ETA' then I am safe to assume that it is a gen ETA 2824-2? Also given that Joshua has his own section on this site I can safely assume that he is considered trustworthy by RWG?

A simple question but on Joshua's site there are the two movement options, I've now read on different sites that the ETA movement is really ETA and that, no, it's just a fancier Chinese knockoff than the other chinese 21j movement. Now I understand that I'm buying a rep and while it would be awesome if the movement was a real swiss ETA 2842 I also wouldn't be upset if it weren't. Given the restriction that ETA is now putting on selling movements are rep makers really getting ETA movements, though it would be super ironic that a rep Omega would have a real ETA movement.

So I guess the question really is this. On a rep watch that doesn't have a see-through caseback is it worth paying the extra $50 for an ETA (if it is ETA) movement or is the Chinese 21j movement fine?