First off I do wear a gen 16710 and have owned 4 other gens,,,but I'm not one of those uptight gen owners that think that reps are the devils work.I have purchased 3 watches from Josh and a few others from other members(Is this the same rep forum that had the black and orange web page??) I'm only really looking on Josh's sight but have been around long enough to know most top sellers get there stock from the same places.Well back to my question are reps any better in quality from the watches I purchased 2-3 years ago?The watches I have now(all from Josh) are a ladies Yachtmaster(she has beat it to hell but it still runs pefectly) and mid DJ that just broke and a early 39mm Explorer that I had the crown fixed to look like a gen.I quess from what I'm looking for is an answer why if a new 1 to 1 rep isn't water proof but just water resistant?Is this hard to obtain, even a cheap Sekio is good to 30M?? Let me know what you think!!CJ.