You can still get the full line of HBB from Andrew and Josh. The have them all, ice bang, big bang, gang bang, whatever, send an email to either one and they will help you out. (As long as your name is not Biver, Margolis, or an agent thereof.) They know who is an established member here. I just ordered the Rg ceramic HBB for a friend, like the one I have. He has over 50 gen watches, some more than 30K and he was blown away by the quality of my HBB. As said before, there is a big reason why there is so much controversy over these reps. They are that good, and I am not talking about the "lite" versions or the "King" or really anything under $500.00. They are nice for sure, but those higher end versions are the ones to get as they do indeed kick ass !