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If you click any of the TDs, you can see that they have something called "review section". Read few of them and it will give you the best idea about what to expect. Also have a look at how many members posted reviews in their section and when was the last purchase made. So if you are talking about 418 USD version displayed on their site, I do not think, it is that much cheaper from what you can buy from josh, silix, trusty, angus or toro. If you are talking about the 118 USD version .... huh...lol... my eyes.... lets say I love the completely wrong DWO with completely wrong font, size, dial print, markers .... or almost everything. It screams from a distance "imma rep... cheap one". Just place those two pic aside and compare them. No srsly. It all depends on what you budget is. If you want a really good start, choose Asian 2824 movement, not the cheap 21J. It is much better start. Reps that come from the same factory are priced evenly, there is max 20-30 USD difference. I chose trusty as a TD to loose my rep virginity. So buy a TD not a rep And read moar :3 Compare some reviews of 21 movements and I recommend you to find some of the Rolexmans teardown reviews as there is lot of informations about what to expect and why should you have the movement serviced.

- SuperOcean 44 is a super rep. - choose Asian 2824 movement and have it serviced (or Sellita if you want a better one and willing to pay 150 USD more) - all of the SO 44 are the same. choose any dealer you want (there is a dealers section on the first page). - before the purchase, contact the dealer and check if particular model is in stock. - there was gen / rep comparison over on RWI, but the link does not work anymore - there are many threads about Superocean 44 here on RWG. you may want to use "search" button on top right of this page. - no need to create multiple threads and top them up when somebody is not answering your questions immediately. just wait. it is part of the rep game. - read a lot (use Search and type in words like "which movement", "SO44", "Superocean", "are these reps different from various dealers", "can i dive 100 m with my rep", "SO 44 flaws", "will AD notice my SO44 is rep", "why should i service my movement", etc.)

You are right about this one. I forgot to do my homework, so here is a little update to correct my previous statement. It is known, that no stamping on the first link is common for 93250 bracelets featured on modern models. TRF resources state that post 2007/2008 Subs do not have their 93250 bracelets stamped on the first link. Actually, this seems to be not true. I started my own research over the internet and I narrowed my search to 16610 and 16610LV Subs only, to find out since when they stopped stamping their 93250 bracelets on the first link and moved numbers on the inner side of SEL’s. I came into conclusion, that 93250 bracelets featured on 16610 or 16610LV Subs were stamped on the first link until year 2005 – F Serial. 2004 F Serials are bearing these stampings and even some early 2005 F Serials have stamped bracelet. However they have stopped with this somewhere in the mid 2005 as early F Serials are stamped and later 2005 F Serials are not. D Serials do not have 93250 stamping on the first bracelet link as well as later Z, M or V Serials. 16610LV – 2004 F Serial – stamped 16610 – 2004 F Serial – stamped 16610LV – 2005 F Serial – no stamp 16610 – 2005 F Serial – no stamp 16610LV – 2005 D Serial – no stamp 16610LV – 2005 D Serial – no stamp 16610LV – 2006 D Serial – no stamp 16610LV – 2006 D Serial – no stamp 16610LV – 2006 D Serial – no stamp 16610 – 2007 Z Serial – no stamp 16610 – 2010 V Serial – no stamp So missing 93250 stamping on bracelet is correct for any 16610 or 16610LV Subs issued after 2005, which means it is correct for late F Serials, and all D, M, V and Z Serials. Based on the fact, that TC Subs are based on V Series case, bracelet without 93250 stamping on the first link is correct for this one (or any post-2005 Subs even if rehaut is shaved just like on Z or Y Serial case). Once again thank you for your contribution. I hope that my previous statement is correct now

Words "the right choice" get a whole new meaning after that pic Staying with mine

Thank you guys for all the recommendations and nice words. You are all welcome

wonderful patina. that one is a stunner for sure!

Beautiful piece sputim. Welcome to the TC club brotha from anotha motha And wear it (out) well

Dear fellow RWG members, Before I start, I would like to thank all of you who participated in this thread http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/162344-sick-of-tcs-subs and pushed me into purchasing TC Sub. You did a good job I finally placed my order at the end of the august 2013. After numerous considerations about which TC Sub to choose I decided to order classic 16610. At that time Thomas started a new thread on his blog about new KH dials, so my choice was clear. I asked him if he could build for me V5 16610 with KH dial. However he had no idea about turnaround time and said that the wait will be longer compared to usual order. On the other hand the new KH dials were looking so good from the initial pics that I wanted to give it a chance. The wait was on and after nearly four months I finally received a nice small box There were many unpacking/unboxing photoshoots, but I have to honestly confirm, that this packaging is just perfect. Sorry for the pic quality, they were made by a coconut. My first thoughts after unboxing this little piece were WOW. Even if there were crappy lowlight conditions in my room, I could clearly see the stunning level of detail. Only think I could think of at the moment was that the wait was worth it. Overall build quality is just awesome. DWO is perfectly aligned with cyclops, SEL fitment is nice imho, there were no scratches on the bracelet or case, crystal was bearing protective film as well as the caseback, bracelet and clasp. I remember some threads over on RWI where some guys were complaining about some dings, scratches, dust under the crystal, dial tilting to either left or right, misaligned DWO and some other things. None of these happened with my piece and Thomas did a really good job on this one. I have nothing to complain about. My only disappointment came when I tried to install gen insert. Gen insert is a piece of craftsmanship itself if you take into consideration that you need no glue because insert is hold in the bezel thanks to its shape that provides tension that holds it in the bezel. However I could not persuade that small piece of s**t to click in even if I used the edge of the table. Bezel press was needed so I had to ask my local watchsmith to do this one for me. If you are interested how much he wanted for just pressing the insert in, he charged me 25 EUR which is about 30 USD (I hope he dies in a terrible longobongo death). Now let’s go to the details. TC Sub is not a gen, but it is very, very close to it. Dial: KH dial is awesome, but there are few differences compared to gen. Almost everyone knows, that TC Subs are based on V Series case, but with rehaut engravings sanded off the case is closer to Z or Y Series 16610. If you compare gen Z Serial dial to KH dial, you will find the first difference in “1000ft” script as number 1 is different as well as the “ft” spacing, which bring the dial closer to pre-2008 models (according to Submariner Story book). However I did a little research and found out that there are variances in Z Serial dials and most of them look exactly as KH dials. But you can make your own idea: (from top: first three are Z Serial dials, last two is my KH dial. If you wonder why the font is bolder on one pic, Nr. 4 was made with ISO 400, Nr. 5 was made with ISO 100) Swiss Made script looks good itself, but I see that it should be positioned little lower. The two on the top are Z Serial dials; the last one is my KH dial. I would like to point out also the difference in positioning Swiss Made script between the two gens – the first one has more space under the script. From this pic you can also see that Z Serials have LEC crown on 6 and no AR on cyclops. You can also see that minute markers are correct – bolder markers on the left, middle and right and thinner markers under W and A. The difference is not that noticeable, but you can see it. Also there is nothing like “slightly grayish colour” of the minute markers between 5-min markers. They are just thinner. If you have ever seen how a dial is printed, you know, that nobody would care to print it with two different colours. They are all of the same white colour all around the dial. Here is another one: Finally Rolex logo looks the same to me as well as OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE spacing. No problem here. (gen Z Serial on top, TC KH under) So in my opinion KH dial looks with no doubt very gen like and even all those indices are just perfect. Forgot to mention that lume is strong and evenly applied all over the dial, so no problem (and it looks amazing). So all in all maybe the only thing that would make it different from gen lumi dial is position of the Swiss Made script. Also I do not recommend comparing the placement of indices at 6 between LN and LV dials as LV is not only bigger but always placed significantly closer to Swiss Made script (please refer to Submariner Story book). Crown: Crown is OK. No need to write much here. I did also 0 shots of it as I could not get a single satisfactory photo of it. But there is no need to change it. Bezel: Bezel teeth need some wear to be more gen like. New TC Sub bezel is also very stiff and is not very willing to turn. You have to use significant force to make it turn. After 5-10 circles it turns like a charm. But the first turn is pain in the a**. You need also bezel press to install gen insert in it (at least I did, but many other members used just their fingers). Bracelet: Bracelet is one of the things to improve. With no doubt V4 is currently the best one available on the rep market, but … There I thing I like, and also few that need to be improved. I like V4 clasp, as the coronet is nice, nice stamping on the blades and also the diver extension looks great. The brushed finish could be slightly better imho. SEL need some work, shave it a bit. And also 93250 number on the back of it may be missing. I understand that maybe Chinese are not willing to stamp it, but it surely is one of the things that make it easy tell from the gen. Everything other is spot on. There are so many details like diver extension circle marking on the bracelet link, clasp holes on the side of it, nicely brushed caseback, clasp blades are the work of art itself, TC 2824 movement with H4 cannon pinion that makes the gap between the hands more gen like, Cyclops magnification, DWO print, dial print quality, so many details. You have to see it in person to know what I am talking about. It is few days since I have it and I am getting still blown away by these little things. I had no problem with movement as well and it is running at +1 sec per day (real average rate after 5 day testing – dancing, jumping, running, oils, sweat and watter ). Good boy. On the last word, for those, who are picky about crown guards. There are so many differences between them, that nobody can tell if it is gen or not. All of them are 16610 and there are many differences not only between M, V, Z and Y case but also between the same Serial cases. Whatever you think the look OK to me. But feel free to discuss this and maybe we will find out something new (from top: 1-3 are Z Serials, 4-5 are M Serials, 6 is Y Serial, 7 is V Serial and 8 is TC reviewed here) That is all folks. TC is king. Bracelet needs some work. And I hope you enjoyed this little review and maybe it will help somebody. And big thanks goes to TC for this wonderful piece.

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another great movement teardown review Rolexman! thanks for posting

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Same here. Ordered, paid, received tracking number 22nd November from Ken and EMS is not even showing it. I do not think you should worry. They have mess in processing their parcels. I think that it is reasonable to give it one another month of waiting and maybe then i should start worry :-D ho ho ho... Merry after Christmas :-D

Just stay patient. I have obtained the tracking number from the dealer 22nd november and chinese EMS did not even started with tracking it (more than 3 weeks now). I still get "No tracking information for the shipment, or overdue tracking.". And the package may be in front of my door already. Patience is a key here.