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fishgodeep

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  9. DELETE ! admin delete the entire topic !

    in The Panerai Area

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    Thanks Kilowattore for your grown up input.

    I'm also hacked off with the less than friendly tone in this thread ....I thought RWG was supposed to be the Friendliest Watch Forum on The Planet !

     

    As Rolli's "silent' partner on these projects I choose to stay in the background, but there's been a pretty miserable assault on Rolli's motives and character here and that's not on.

    I don't control Rolli or try to , neither do I necessarily agree with everything he says or believes. We've had disagreements but understand each other better as a result , that's how partnerships work.

    I do know that his desire to make dials is because he is absolutely and totally passionate about Panerai and is about as true a hobbyist you'll find on this forum or any other.

     

    This 000 dial was a labour of love for Rolli , not my personal taste as I have ample base dials in my collection and there is only one "King" 201/A as far as logo dials go.

    He had the desire and means to do it , so he made a very very limited run and made available to those who wanted it.

     

    There's been a few assertions that these are copies of a Noob dial , Asian made dials , large profits being made , people being misled etc etc, but as partner , I invest half of the production costs and have records of every single invoice and payment received so it's time to state a few home truths for those who are bothered to know:

     

    - Every single step of the manufacturing of these dials is done in Switzerland , the only parts made in Asia are the Pre-V hands from Helenarou - which I purchased without lume many years ago.

    - If you take the money Rolli and I have invested and divided it by the number of dials we have each received from these projects - we have paid more than double per dial than what we sell them for !

    - I conservatively estimate that Rolli has invested over 1000 hours of his own time in the last 12 months to make these projects a reality and paid meticulous attention to detail every step of the way.

    - In each production run , despite the highest standards and precautions, there are dials with flaws , so on these very small runs, the yield is far less than expected and as such there has not been enough dials to make a profit.

    - All the money that has been raised from sales , has been re-invested in the next dial production, which is why these dials are made WITHOUT pre-orders and requests for deposits from people. We actually don't want to take anyone's money until we're satisfied we have a dial ready so pay all the costs upfront ourselves.

     

    As FGD , I made hundred of dials and hands for the members of this forum and due to my inferior production methods was to able to offer these are far lower prices than Rolli's.

    In the end though, poor yields , production problems , delays and the deluge of PM's and emails you receive made me call it a day. I just could not get the standard of dial I and others wanted this way.

    Rolli took up the gauntlet and used his engineering and business skills to build a network of high end Swiss contacts and asked if I wanted to go into partnership with him.

    The results are what you see today.

     

    So there you have it .

     

    For those of you who have been great supporters , bought dials , gave advice but most of all enjoyed these projects , thank you.

     

    For those who want to b1tch and moan about someone's "charity" work then try Jack Warner , he's got a lot more questions to answer.......

     

    FGD

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  10. DELETE ! admin delete the entire topic !

    in The Panerai Area

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    Mr Bozz,

    No replica dials were used as reference for this dial or any others.

    We have physical genuine dials including 000, 001, 002, 003,061,082,024 and 023 plus many high resolution scans of other genuine dials care of friends on this forum and others.

    Whilst I can appreciate not everyone will like this dial , your stating that a Noob dial was used as reference is 100% incorrect.

    Best

    FGD

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  17. What has happened to Panerai?

    in The Panerai Area

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    What about historic models like the 372 among others? These are very true to the originals.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

     

    B - It is a great watch but not to my personal taste....and I agree surprising that this hasn't become the 127 of our day.

    Shows how tastes change.

    S

     

     

  18. What has happened to Panerai?

    in The Panerai Area

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    Too a large degree , fashion has fanned Panerai's growth and increased awareness and subsequent demand.

    But fashions change and brands can soon turn from leaders to followers with that fickle set.

    Times are also changing with less young consumers even bothering to wear a watch for many years now - Ok not exactly Panerai consumers, but  they grow up.

    Panerai should survive and prosper , provided they can bend quickly enough if the market "wind" bears down on them.

    Personally , I am not a fan of many of the modern pieces , despite innovation and in house movements they lack the simplicity and charm that is Panerai's DNA.

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  20. DELETE ! admin delete the entire topic !

    in The Panerai Area

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    Guys, cool your jets! Who cares where these dials are made. They could be made in a basement in the Congo for all I care. The results speak for themselves.

     

    There are a few members here that are instigating for no reason and frankly I don't understand why. Rolli/FGD/whoever was involved is making a great dial and you're just pressing buttons. It's pretty obvious that English isn't Rolli's first language so some of his messages may get lost in translation or come across harsher than what is intended.

     

    Thanks - you've beaten me to it :) 

    I'm not sure what is going on here , but I sense a disturbance in The Force.

    Everybody who has bought one of these has got what they paid for , no-one has been misled or in anyway the victim of a fraud.

    Rolli's reputation and time spent on this forum speak volumes , as does mine and the many satisfied members who own our dials.

     

    I found the comment from GOBSH that this reflects poorly on me by association interesting ......as if the alternative is to dis-associate myself from a friend and partner when they are under pressure ?

     

    Rolli's much more emotionally involved in this , his "art" given he has poured countless hours of his time, effort and passion into making these projects happen for EVERYONE.

    It really would be a lot easier for us to just make 2 dials for ourselves.

     

    I can accept there will be "haters', that's just life , but most people are not and that's what counts.

     

    To quote Gandhi :

    "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is like an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty"

     

    Thank you to all the "clean drops" I've met in the 8 years I've spent on this forum.

     

    Best

     

    FGD

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  24. DELETE ! admin delete the entire topic !

    in The Panerai Area

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    The answer is .........

     

    The dials are "made" by a combination of providers all of which are either in Switzerland or on the bordering areas. 

    Every one of these providers works for existing high end Swiss watch brands today.

    Their location is kind of irrelevant , unless you think that every single part of every Swiss Made watch brand  is made in Switzerland ?

     

    One is responsible for the creation of the dials , including 3D cad / vector artwork tuning , manufacturing and finishing.

    One is responsible for development of the custom luminous pigment and application to dials and hands.

    One is responsible for the final printing of the dial text.

     

    This way , not one single maker is responsible or fully aware of the others existence or role and only one party actually has to produce the Panerai lettering.

     

    Only the Pre-V hands are Chinese made , my old Helenarou ones from my early Pre-v projects. These are however lumed in Switzerland.

     

    I'm not sure if you have been to Switzerland recently ....but it's not cheap , a large Starbucks Latte now costs about $15 equivalent so these dials are fantastic value :)

     

    Buy if you want ....don't if you don't :)

     

    Cheers

     

    FGD

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  25. DELETE ! admin delete the entire topic !

    in The Panerai Area

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    I have to agree that the rep : gen price ratio on 000 is not as appealing as the more rarer models , but the real purpose of the "dial project hobby" is to make the dials we like and humbly asking if anyone else want in with a very very small run.

     

    It's true passion for the hobby rather than a commercial initiative that drives the variety of dials you'll see from us.

     

    Best

     

    FGD

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