kargo

Valid point Panerai. And this HAS been an experience to me. Let us all move on...

You know I never recieved the watch - right? What are the QC pictures for then? Fun? And a month of lying and 1½ not answering - is that okay too?

Messy it is.... But why say its refunded on the 3 rd and then after - what I believe to be a long time (and perhaps only beause of a mod) he finally come up with what I have been asking for all along - screen shots - that shows he has tried to refund on the 27 th!? Is that not lying? cheap or expensive watch - important or just minor serious because not comming around to it? Lying it is! Would I have recieved my refund if not for these threads and Mod. Mike? I dont know!.... Any way communication and service could have been better IMO. Not answering a customer for 1½ month?. Credit card delays certainly hasn´t helped either on the trust issue. 1 thread for help 1 when I found out the lie?! And the trust issue appeared is that wrong? If so - I didn´t know. But when everybody answers in both and a 3 rd about your case - Toro also in the end - You have to defend/answer yourself all these places don´t you? Nervermind. If the money is rightfully and finally comming my way justice is done - and I can live with a small lie. But lying it is IMO. Everybody are entitled to their own opinion - and ofcourse there has to be room for some bias - that is okay. I will continue my life buying the real stuff now (already done) and Toro will continue selling reps. The earth keeps turning - right? Keep happy and smiling. PS: If the QC pictures show a hole different date-window that the one adverticed - then you can cansell? Or cant you? Important for new customers I think to learn about the value of QC pictures... PSS: Why close the thread "OMG TOROBRAVO BS Quality Control" - thats and independent thread about and independent subject - and therefore nothing to do with me and my problems with Toro. It´s about quality right? Well there is a lot I dont understand Regards

For sure Toro - but why did you not send me the account pictures in the first place. I asked for them all along and You didn´t answer me at all? .... and on dec. 3 th. you wrote already refunded? When you actually first refunded on dec. 27 th.? Well better late than never. Thanx again to you guys in here and mod Mike... Sorry for wrong choise of words. Me being frustrated...

For sure Toro - but why did you not send me the account pictures in the first place. I asked for them all along and You didn´t answer me at all? .... and on dec. 3 th. you wrote already refunded? When you actually first refunded on dec. 27 th.? Well better late than never. Thanx again to you guys in here and mod Mike... Sorry for wrong choise of words. Me being frustrated...

For sure Toro - but why did you not send me the account pictures in the first place. I asked for them all along and You didn´t answer me at all? .... and on dec. 3 th. you wrote already refunded? When you actually first refunded on dec. 27 th.? Well better late than never. Thanx again to you guys in here and mod Mike...

That is also crazy - agreed

Some development now finally. Toro has given us SOME look into his account - and it seems there might be a refund on the 27 th of december 2014 on its way! But before we let us carry away let me remind you of his answer to me: On dec. 2 Torro wrote to me: "Already refunded"! But this is simply not correct - and have not been able to contact him since?! And why all this fuzz first? Well - benefit of doubt - I will now wait for a week - contact my bank and hope for the best. Let us all breathe in the mean time Thanks to Mod. Mike

Some development now finally. Toro has given us SOME look into his account - and it seems there might be a refund on the 27 th of december 2014 on its way! But before we let us carry away let me remind you of his answer to me: On dec. 2 Torro wrote to me: "Already refunded"! But this is simply not correct - and have not been able to contact him since?! And why all this fuzz first? Well - benefit of doubt - I will now wait for a week - contact my bank and hope for the best. Let us all breathe in the mean time Thanks to Mod. Mike

Some development now finally. Toro has given us SOME look into his account - and it seems there might be a refund on the 27 th of december 2014 on its way! But before we let us carry away let me remind you of his answer to me: On dec. 2 Torro wrote to me: "Already refunded"! But this is simply not correct - and have not been able to contact him since?! And why all this fuzz first? Well - benefit of doubt - I will now wait for a week - contact my bank and hope for the best. Let us all breathe in the mean time Thanks to Mod. Mike

Mike - NOT answering me - the customer for more than 1½ month and NOT answering WHEN he alledgedly has refunded my money, and NOT willing to show the money deducted from his account, when I try to trace it through my bank - a trace that showed NO money - he just tell me to make a credit card chargeback .... THAT I think is hardly the behaviour of a gentleman or trusted dealer is it? Now after all this hagling - all of a sudden it seems he JUST discovered the money has NOT been refunded? Well surprice.... can you hold it against me I´m loosing faith/trust in this guy? Regards

This has just arrived from Mike: Just in from Toreo "I find out what is wrong with his payment , because there had handing fees , he should received 187usd instead his original payment ." That kind of justifies it Kent - wouldn´t you say? Convinient when the heat turns up - an explanation arrives!? Before that I was just wrong and left on my own. Perhaps not cheat which was a bit rash - as I have explained above - but good service? Naa? And not even sure it means he will send me the $187? I dont know. My trust is fading....

Good call KB - looking forward to that - but I predict an answer somewhat like this: From toro\ "Just tell him , he can claim a chargeback from his credit card bank , then he will receive back his money soon . Because I checked my end the money already deducted from our account too ." And hope he this time puts in a print of his account with the date of the aleged refund....

I just dont get it! Why not just give the refund - instead of leaving me to the difficulties of claiming a chargeback from my credit card bank!? to teach me a lesson: accept the bloody QC pictures - or you are on your own!?

Please put in a good word for me then!?