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The PAM 005 is gen. Take a look at the letter "A" and the angle of Panerai logo.

I'm in for four.

It's a lot easier (and cheaper) to submit international Western Union payments from a physical location -- like most supermarkets and some gas station chains. There's also more scrutiny when it's done on-line, especially if you're using a credit card to fund the transaction. Last month, I spent thirty minutes on-line and on the phone trying to get a payment sent to Singapore for a purchase from another member. I even had to answer questions derived from my credit report! Needless to say, the transaction was denied. I jumped into the car, traveled a 1/4 of a mile to a local grocery store, filled out a short form, and had the payment sent out without a second glance from the cashier. That took all of 8 minutes and it was $20 cheaper than the on-line price quoted.

I tivoed it and I'm going through it now (pausing heavily). It looks like a 63 on OEM rubber, since I saw a shot of a sweeping second hand. The best shot of it occurs just before the show goes to the live audience part.

I thought it was a 196. It looked like a chrono.

SS, I have one gen PAM with single sided AR coating and multiple gens (from other manufacturers) with double AR coatings. I also live near a large Panerai authorized dealer. As far as I can see, the AR on Panerais is either single sided or none at all, depending on model. I suggest you visit an authorized dealer to confirm this, if you live near one or happen to be in a city with one while on vacation.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/st...bd3&k=80756

For those of you looking to acquire an item from one of our Chinese "collectors" China is essentially shut down from October 1st through October 7th to celebrate the Chinese Communist revolution. "National Day" essentially lasts a week and for us, that means no mail service out of China. (Edit -- Although the National Day "Golden Week" is from October 1st to October 7th, as other have stated here, EMS service is shut down only from October 1st to October 3rd)

Hmm... "Real Panerai AR" isn't always yellow; although a number of models made from 2000-2003 have a yellow coating. A lot of current models (I and J series) have blue AR and there are some made now that still don't have AR. Of note, "Real Panerai AR" is also single, not double sided.

Here's an interesting link to Pietro Germano's website that shows him making leather straps. Germano is considered one of the masters of making pre-V replica Panerais -- his California dial replicas used to command thousands before he stopped making them. http://www.germano.de/index.php?option=com...=3&Itemid=5

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according to josh's website, it'll be available in two weeks.

I can't believe how similar that dial is to my Poljot aviator (I know it's a two register model).

A few quick questions -- for those of you out there that own both a 104 and 111: 1. How much thicker is the case of 104 versus the 111? 2. Is it much heavier than the 111? Thanks.

If you're talking about authentic "decorated" Panerai movements, there aren't any reps out there with them. However, as others here have pointed out, you can buy a ETA "Unitas" 6947 movement and put it in a rep or if you like the Daylight series chronographs, you can still buy reps with ETA 7753 movements. Those are fairly expensive, however.

The real watch hasn't even come out yet - not until December 2007 or January 2008. Interestingly enough, it's already sold out throughout the world. Ceramic bezels are hot, hot, hot.

Thanks, The Zigmeister.

The Zigmeister, Are most movements found in reps "dirty" -- including the stock real ETA movements in some of the more expensive reps? And on that note, if you bought a sourced out Unitas or Valjoux movement from a supply house like Ofrei, would you still need to send it through the ultrasonic cleaner and re-lube it before placing it in a watch?

For completeness sake... The answer is yes.

Actually, you're missing some additional chrono movements. Other ubiquitous, "non-in-house" movements out there include the Lemania 5100 and the Poljot 3133/Valjoux 7733. Although I've never seen a rep with a 5100, I have a Radiomir chrono with a Poljot 3133. Besides the increase in prices, the other "new" thing with reps is the increase in the number of replicas with AR coating straight out of the box.

Those RXW Panerai "homages" have been around for a while. The eBay sellers are usually dropshippers out of Hong Kong or Singapore. You're right -- most of them are basic factory reps, just missing the word "Panerai" on them. I do have one that came out of Hong Kong that is identical to one of my Davidsen reps, however, with the exception of the lack of AR on the crystal. Same crown, crown guard, case, etc.

As before... 1. 1 black 7753 datewheel 2. 1 white 7753 datewheel 3. 1 7750 datewheel

Unfortunately, the biggest giveaway is the recessed datewheel, which is usually the easy tell for most Panerai chronograph reps. In addition, the 187 has tritium, not luminova, markers.

It's pretty complicated, but can be done (it's going to be expensive). Take a look at The Zigmeister's article (i.e. the "The Zigmeister 6500") on Replica Watch Guide.

Pretty blatant PAM 124 / 171 fake on the world's largest fleamarket. Type in 180158887917 in the search field. Can't believe it's already over $900.