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When u do find a good Rep, try to find a watchsmith that is willing to work on one then u can enjoy it for 10+years. Keep up on the forum and the forumners will always point u in the right direction. 

Oh and I'm loving my ARF Rolex Sea Dweller. Great ootb Rep 

8 hours ago, martijnp said:

15400 for today

 

 

Sweet! Which factory? 

Actually, R, I do not mind whether we do business or not. I run my own non-watch related business managing a group of companies, and that is one source of sustenance for me besides the passive investments I do. This is just a hobby, though yes I still put a price on the parts, labour and time I put in to justify the time spent in it. 
So I really don't mind whether we do business or not. I remember you as a pleasant person to talk to, cheerful and upbeat. I just hope that if we do chat again, it will be on something specific and concrete that I can help you with, rather than an exchange of opinions.

I really appreciate that invitation! Thank you

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Well, Mr R, you expressed interest in one of my diver builds in your PM, and I gave you my number so that we could discuss it via whatsapp. 
But I quickly realized that the conversation was becoming more of a Q&A session, with no particular end in sight. So yes I guess that "to no avail" applies here. When you know what you want from me, I am always open to a conversation with you, but on specifically what you want, and not about general stuff in the hobby. That chat can happen later when we are better acquainted.
 

Yes that is correct. I hope one day the time will come and we can have a business relationship. I look forward to that. There's much we can learn and benefit from your knowledge and savoir-faire in this hobby.
Newbies should learn to be more polite when making enquiries. This forum being existent is SO beneficial enough that if further information is sought at least have the sense to be more courteous!

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I receive several PMs daily from various members, mostly newbies. Most of them wants to know various basic stuff: who the trusted dealers are, which model is the best, do I have this and that model for sale etc. Questions which are harmless in themselves.
 
My gripe is with the feeling that the senders of the questions usually do not display good manners and most don’t bother to say please, thank you or do a basic introduction of themselves. Yes we are a close knit community and we should help one another whenever we can. Yet I cannot help feeling that such exchanges can be much better greased with basic manners and pleasantries, especially when the asker is new and feeling his way around. I used to be a lot more patient with such PMs and will spend time and effort to answer the questions posed, only for most of the guys asking to just vanish without even a simple thank you, after getting the information they seek.
 
Do you guys get the same kind of PMs sometimes, and how do you feel about them or deal with them?
 
I am selective about who I choose to help or respond to these days. It is ok if you’re new and want to get shortcuts to the info you seek. I did that as well when I was new. But it is not ok, in my opinion, not to bring good manners along when you’re expecting someone else to spend time to help you out.
Yes this forum exists as a platform for all of us to enjoy the hobby better. So even when you’re new and know nothing, you can still make the exchanges better by being polite and appreciative. It’s like asking for directions and then spending 2 seconds to say thank you rather than just walk away without saying anything at all after getting the help you need.
 
To the newbies, manners maketh man. If you bother to take the time to send a PM and expect a meaningful reply, then please, display less self-entitlement and better manners. Nobody owes you anything and good manners is the grease that keeps the cogs of interaction turning smoothly. Will you take the time to answer the PMs that you send, even if you know the answers?
It is ok to ask questions, but not ok to feel that you are entitled to answers automatically just because you’re asking them.
I’ve ignored about 50% of the PMs sent to me in the past 3 months due to the self-entitled sounding questions. Come on newbies, if you expect me to respond to you meaningfully, then be better mannered please. Else just post your questions in the forum and let whoever is willing answer them.
 
 
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I believe I "grease" u pretty well but to no avail.
To me, u come across as a person who is pretty set on yr ways. I understand that totally. Some of us (in this community) are rather immature in our ways, and as a 47 yr old, I understand that but I don't feel it's at all acceptable.
As I read through some threads, and questions are answered, I don't see a simple "thank you" following it. Some of those questions were even asked in an obligatory manner too, like as if this forum is a "customer service" center for Replica Watches Inc.
This is my 2 cents and I'm SUPER newbie.


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And an Asian clone, my brother, is also a Chinese movement lol.
Just like the movement in the Marcus lol


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Lol but that's not fair@legend. U knew what he meant

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Oh this is sweet

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The diver reps, both stainless steel and forged carbon, and even the ceramic, have been touted as the best out of the box AP reps in the hobby. 

And yes, that is true if you look at the number of flaws in the ROO chronograph series. 

But yet, closely replicated as they are, flaws still exist in the diver reps. For the sake of brevity, let us run through the list of flaws 

 

Movement:

The previous generation of reps uses the A2824 movement, which beats at 28800bph, but is better and more reliable than the current generation of miyota powered replicas. Miyotas can be noisy when the watch is shaken, and cheap looking/sounding. However they are fairly reliable too, and easily replaced. The gen uses a low beat 21600bph caliber 3120 AP movement. The beat difference is hardly noticeable on the wrist between 28800bph and 21600bph unless you have them side and side, and scrutinize closely. The beat of the rep movement can be modded to 21600bph as well. 

 

Dial

The gen diver dial is glossy and more intricate in details, and the rep is somewhat glossed over, but not to the same extent. The difference is hardly noticeable again, but the rep dial can be gloss-finished by hand to look like the gen. Of course, dial print is sharper on the genuine diver, but not by much compared with the V7 diver.

 

Inner dive bezel

For the stainless steel, the lume construction for the numbers are significantly different, and this is a noticeable difference once pointed out to someone. 

For the FC, the numbers on the inner bezel are closer to genuine.

 

Hands

There is a slight difference between the shine and finish of the genuine hands vs the replica ones. But not enough to warrant any modification.

 

Datewheel

The genuine watch (before the i series) uses a serif font which the Noob (first v4 batch and earlier) replicates well. The font is nonetheless slightly smaller than the gen one. This can be fixed by installing an aftermarket datewheel.

 

Case construction

No significant difference between gen and rep here for the recent models. Any perceivable difference would not be something you can spot on the wrist. The rep FC case can be polished and buffed a little to look better, but not necessarily closer to gen. The FC material is rather organic, and each case looks different from the rest. I have seen a variety of finishes for the genuine FC cases. The glossed up pictures on the internet makes us all paranoid at times, but if you have a chance to take a look at FC case finishing on the genuine, you will be surprised at how flat (little or no marbling) some will look.

 

Bezel screws

It is a myth that bezel screws on the genuine diver are always sunken and aligned. This is not true at all, I have seen genuine divers that look otherwise. The bezel screws on the replica can be carefully aligned, polished and sunken evenly for aesthetic purposes. 

 

Crystal

Bear in mind, that the gen comes with a single AR crystal. Applying double AR on a replica does enhance the look of the dial, but does not make it more accurate looking. This is a personal choice for the owner, and nothing right or wrong about it.

 

Straps

The rep rubber straps are decent, but with the host of aftermarket straps available, many choices are available at the owner's disposal. 

 

So when one mentions "best diver that money can buy", it is subjective to each owner with regards to what "best" means. 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a fully modded diver. I’ve converted it from a miyota movement to an ETA low beat one and retained the hands.
Notice the dial finish, the case finish and the datewheel.
I consider this a reasonable rendition of the stainless steel diver without going franken or gen.




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Howdy neighbor! Read a few of yr threads so far. Were rather similar in the sense that i was born here but grew up in IDN, France, Holland and the US on account that my father served in the Diplomatic Corps.

Enough about of me, i really want to commend yr work on the hobby and the AP in particular. Any chance u can PM me what u would sell it for? i understand u order a bunch to work on and sell?