olegunnar

Rolex don't use AR coating. Omega do, but not on everything. Breltling do too.

Why you're seeing it more in IWC trades is odd. I don't know why this would be the case.

OK, thanks. AR is an obvious advantage, and thus a good reason to invest in IWC .-)

Hi IWC-people. One thing I don't get: in many seller's listing, IWC reps are often offered with double AR-coating and so on. I know and appreciate the concept of coating. But in other forums and in connection with other brands (i.e. Omega Speedmaster), such coating are seldom if ever discussed. Why? What's the difference?

ole gunnar

It's silly unless you have a genuine dial, hands and of course case. In other words, if you have a Speedmaster with a broken movement, it's a great idea.

Yes, I see your point. But how do you rate the Seagull copy against the gen Lemania movement in terms of reliability?

The gen certainly looks stunning, even from a layman's dim perspective....

http://www.ninanet.net/watches/others02/Mediums/mlemania.html

I have read here that the so called Lemania movement used in several chronos, is a chinese rep.

"Firstly the 'Lemania' movement in reps isn't a Lemania at all - it hasn't got anything at all to do with Lemania. This so-called 'Lemania' movement is actually a handwind Seagull two-register chronograph movement which is a Chinese copy of an old, Swiss Venus movement. The modern Seagull is rightly well regarded and is a very good movement...."

My question is: Is there a way to get an original Lemania movement, and would it fit an Omega Speedmaster as does the copy Seagull one? Does anyone actually have one for sale?

I would feel better if I had the gen abd perhaps I could replace it. Or is this just a silly idea?

Thanks for comments.

Will

Fitting a gen Day-Date movement into a rep case probably isn't worth the time and effort. The Silix Day-Date movt is a modified 2836-2, so first of all, you'd have to get the older 3085 movt to even have a chance of the stem/crown lining up w/ the case tube. Next, would it fit the rep dial? I don't know. Would the day and date line up w/ the windows on the rep dial?You'd definitely need new Rolex hands- they're different from the ETA hands. And where do you think you're going to find a Rolex Day Date movement? And don't forget, rep cases are a little bit bigger than gen Rolex cases- how you gonna keep the movement from moving around?

If you like your Silix Day-Date, enjoy it and service it for $100 if you have to. If you really want a gen Day-Date, look for a vintage- they're less expensive. IMO, it's just not worth t to put a gen DD movt in a rep case.

Hi, and thanks for the realistic input. Im sure you are right, it simply was a naive idea I had. But as it probably is not worth it, I shall rather look for an vintage DayDate instead. Appreciated anyway.

Will

As a newbie, I fear that may ask an old question: But I want to know if I can get a gen Rolex replacement for my ETA movement? (I got my Daydate (grey dial) from Jay in Silixprime and I am very pleased with it; I simply want to know the options). What is important to look out for? Does anyone have experience with such a replacement job? What should I expect to pay for the gen movement? Will a Rolex movement that was build for a gen Daydate fit straight into my Silix Daydate rep, or is that simply a naive assumption?

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated :-)

Will

I found this at Silix; a Rols chrono with a Lemania manual movement. Anyone know this model? Can't find any info or reviews on this. I like it tough, even if it seems somewhat obscure and unusual for the forum here.

A second thing; does anyone know where to find a good Cellini Cestello rep? It seems that Cellinis does not have a high standing here, why I can't imagine. This Cestello I like an awful lot too. And I am not ashamed to say that! :-) The link is this:

http://www.rolex.com/en/collection/rolex-g.../cestello/index

Thanks for all advice & views.

Will

Yes that is right. The wave ones.

If you want a genuine one, you can ask Tomy (well known here and on the bay)

tomyana@netvigator.com

I have several from him, from several brands, and he is very correct in business.

Now a genuine will cost more than 25

I want to give my son a Rols DayDate rep and present it in a smart box. (He knows it is a rep.) I feel this would increase the "value" of the gift, but I am not happy with the boxes Silix and other sells, as these - at least the ones I have seen - does not impress me much. (I only actually saw one rep Rols box which I returned). I would be willing to cash out at least 25 GBP to get a decent wooden box, as I can find on eBay, but even if they are really nice items, they do not have the Rolex Logo. The Logo is not essential, either, but it would be very interesting to hear if anyone have found a good solution? How to present a rep in the best possible manner? What is your view?

Will

The size is a big reason why it's not popular. It's only 37.5mm.

I don't know if Asian 21J versions of this rep exist, but if they do, that's what I'd go for.

Gold plated are a little less popular with rep buyers since the plating is often suspect, stainless steel is a better bet long term. That said, there are many gold enthusiasts on the forum who have some great input on the subject (including ways to protect the plating).

Thanks for input. I understood the De Ville isnt popular here, since most members appear to go for large (or frankly oversized) watches. I personally think a PO 45mm appears highly disproportionate on an ordinary man's wrist. To me, that's not a watch but realestate! Its a matter of taste, but I dont read such watches as masculine, but rather as a emblem of insecurity in an unstable and unpredictable world. Of course, there are fashions in watch styles, as in everything. I had a 27 mm postwar Tudor Prince once, and it was a beauty, even for its small size. So size is not everything, as in other situations .-) And besides, 37,5 is only 0,5 mm less than most Rolex watches, which is popular enough. Is it something with Omega people?

I shall certainly try to write a preview and read on ways to protect the plating. BTW, why the Asian 21J movement? Is that superior to the ETA 2824? How?

Thanks,

Will

As a newbie, I am honestly surpised that none of the wise members of this forum have actually had any experience with the Omega De Ville Chronometer? How can this be? When I posted a photo and asked for comments or hints of this model, there were no replies. Did I say something wrong, or is this model so unique? I have never actually seen it reviewed, only the Bi-axel chronometer or whats it?, but never this model. What can I do? Perhaps I am too impatient, and that a response should not be expected just after a day or two?

Any input will be greatly appreciated.

Will

Hi, I am impressed with the simple elegance of this rep. (OMG0076 - De Ville Rose Gold White - Swiss ETA 2824) But Im not sure about it's flaws and faults? Can anyone help with a review or comment? (The By-Tor guide does not include the Rose White Gold)

I found a nice photo of it on Trusty's site-

Will .-)

The font on the date wheel is wrong, the ingy one is made by IWC but the rep has the standard ETA chiss one. I cant coment on the watch as a whole yet as i have ordered mine and it will be here in a week or two. How the movements compare well could you compare a normal ford engine with lamborgini engine, lucily in this case they are both designed to run the same speed, the hour hang must go round in 12 hours and the min hand in 60 mins, the balence to work at 28800hz. The short hands issue has been resolved by the fact that there are land and short hand versions in the gen as well. The bezel issue should be able to be resolved by turning it with a case back removal tool. From what i have heard the new double AR version is just the old one with some AR. I look forward to reciving mine and will be able to tell you more

Thanks, Andy, but your words do not cheer me up the least. I had high hopes for this rep, but now it appears that it is full of flaws! How can a producer call anything a true 1=1 rep if it still has a lot of errors?

I know it's possible to change the datewheel. Where and how can I do that? What other modifications do you recommend? And what about the wrong logo on the back, that should read "CO." and not "Co."? Is this fixed or what? Anyone knows this?

Will

I just got one in the mail today from Angus (Pure Time) for a friend who doesn't frequent the forums. I have the VC Overseas with double AR from Jay and it BLOWS the Ingy away. With them side by side it makes me wonder if the Ingy is really just single sided. It feels "sticky" on the crystal so if it is single sided it's on the outside. Unfortunately I do not have a camera for pics. Also the DW has to be replaced for sure but my buddy won't care about that.

It's good to have a realistic view of the new Ingy. And perhaps I should not expect too much? Still, it is supposed to be a true 1 to 1 rep. So how come you feel the need to change the datewheel? Is this a matter of taste or is it still misaligned like it always was? And are you 100 % sure that you actually got the latest model with the double AR? I would be pleased if you got an earlier model and my new Ingy would be perfect (well at least closer than all the previous models).

Will

Any photos would be greatly appreciated...

I have just ordered my new Ingy SS with the double AR from Jay. Supposedly this is the latest and a 1 = 1 rep. I heard there were several flaws in the previous models, like misaligned bezel, short hands, wrong datewheel, fonts, etc. My question is simply: does anyone have any hands-on experience with the new issue?

And what about the movement, how does it compear to the gen, and how inferior is it? I suspect the ETA-2824 is the "economic" issue, but how does it differ in practical terms to the gen. IWC movement. Any ideas?

Will Gunnars