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Hillbillys...don't ya just love them.
Well TTK! Although I have never bought a watch with you, you seem to be the kind of dealer who runs the replica business as it should be !!!
Alone by your "10 reasons" post I can tell that you agree with my last post
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He makes friends easily, especially with dealers...
I noticed the -lemming like- tendency on this board to glorify dealers early on.
They sit somewhere in Singapore or China and live a nice life making enourmous profits on faked watches. We are experiencing a small time window, where plagiats from China can reach the rich countries via internet. The dealers make good money and the customers in Europe/America get a pretty watch to impress their mates. Even a nice hobby has generated out of this
This positive vibe should not cover that dealers should deliver a decent quality and should check their products. A lot of those just act as a mediator between the factory in China and the customer in America.
Those -high end dealers- we talk about here insist on calling their fakes REPLICAS and therefore accept that the result should be -near perfect-. So do not complain if your customers expect -near perfect-
I agree to all this but in the end it is all business. We pay good money (and 200 USD would feed the Chinese producer of the watch quite a while) and expect something good.
The recent tendency from the board to belittle buyers complaints annoys me. So does the arrogance of some dealers who have no hesitation to make fun of their customers...those customers who give them a nice life in Singapore or Shanghai.
The most I get annoyed by "independent" board members who constantly take side for the dealers, regardless what and treat the buyers like fools.
I made good business in the past with different dealers and I had good and bad experiences. I believe that this board is a phantasic source of knowledge in the rep market.
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buyers and sellers --policy and some simple manners...replica 101
Hi folks greeting.
It has been a very good year for replica buyers as some of the stuffs we seen are getting better and better everyday.
I, however, like to mention that all sellers on board are honest and willing to work with you, as a buyer.
It has brought to my attention that some buyers are real hard core collectors.
They expect to be exactly like genuine. Feel, weight, water resistance capabilities….etc….Cant have anything imperfection on the piece.
For instance :
The case is too big,,,even the case is the right size. By the case----is the size without the crown…..i had 2 chargeback because not as described….the buyers include the crown guard….when doing the measuring…
The dial is too flat., even it is the same jet black as original
The hologram is not perfect, even the hologram is pretty well made already.
The font is 0.05nm too think, too short, tooo long….
The noise from the automatic rotor is too loud…as loud as the 747 jet plane engines.
The crystal is too flat, too round, too dome, too this or that.
The lever is too loose, or too tight.
The bezel is too tight.
The bezel is too loose
The band is too cheap.
The bracelet is too light
The bracelet is too heavy, not like original which weighs 20 grams,,,while the rep bracelet weighs 21 gram.
The second hand is too jerky, not sweeping like original
The hour hand is not radioactive like original
The min hand is not plutonium plated like watches from Pluto.
The dial is not as luminous as my Seiko or my original 90,000usd Breguet
The case is too light , feel cheap, and not made of lead like your diving belt
The leather is like plastic,but more like my pam Anderson inflatable love doll.
The buckle is 0.12942588341244mm too fat.
The case back is not right…because the serial is written on 10 oclcok while the original is written at 6 oclock ( dude,,,u need to rotate the case back if u like,,,,,)
The hologram number is 1 letter extra.
The tracking is not working,,,,are you trying to scam me????
The bezel click sound is cheap like plastic….original is more like pitching at 64hz frequency.
How the fxxk you adjust the links on my ralex bracelet? Why screwdriver not included?
How do I get the bracelet off? This is a piece of sxxt….!!!
FXXKER,,,, the piece is not working.,….( handwind…dude….u need to handwind the movt)
FXXXKER,,,,why the piece is not running ? ( 7750b1,,,,did you read my “mad cow” procedure for 7750b1, 7753, 7750, 21j ?)
This is a disaster!!!! It has been 3 weeks,,,why no watch yet? ( u have to go to post office to get it….u were not at home….that is why…..)
Where the fxxxk is the tracking??????
If you don’t return my email now, I will call paypal now!
If you don’t send me tracking, I will go for chargeback
If you don’t replace it, I will go to forum and tell everyone.,,,,( even the buyers have wore the item for over 3 months or longer,,,,etc,,,)
Why custom stop my package? Because it is their jobs.
Why has custom issue,…because replica is illegal
Why other sellers never have custom issues? Because they are smart, me as a seller is dumb,,,I write “ fake replica 100usd rolex “ on the declaration form.
Why I have to pay taxes? Because your govt needs taxes.
My points …
You want to avoid these issues. Please buy the genuine one
If i or any sellers mentioned, we will get you the parts. U will get the parts. It just takes time.
You, just relax and wait for the piece to arrive. Don’t keep on asking for tracking. Not all tracking are working.
You want to take your pieces to go swimming ? I will say…go ahead.
( But I did not say it will survive after the swim)
Don’t ask any seller why your pieces are not waterproof to 200m like original.
Be happy what you have now. You can always go outside the forum to venture out if you wish. All sellers on board have life outside the forums. Some like to party, some like to talk to chicks, some like to go drinking, some like to smoke some herbal medicine daily for “therapeutic reason”, some like to get lucky on pay day….etc…..same as you, as a buyer. ---we all have life beside the forums.
We don’t return emails not because we did not receive your emails. We are just ignoring you, because in the last 24 hours, you have shooted over 50 mails to my account talking the same thing. We all will do our best to get you the parts, support, and service we can afford to offer. When we have tracking, we will forward you.
In short, be cool, maintain your cool, and relax.
I just received a royal treatment from a forum member. A paypal chargeback. Because it did not exceed his expectation.
Crap post and arrogant too.
If you guys try to sell chinese fakes for 200 USD+ with a nice profit you should take your customers more serious and not reveal your -I dont care about those idiots!" character with posts like that. If the quality of your fakes is so poor as the numbers and variety of posts suggest---sit down and improve yourself instead of pencelling annoying posts like that
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Is it just a fantasy watch, or was it ever made by Coca Cola/Rolex?
Have a look at this, quite stunning
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Hello my friend. Please don't take this comment as discouragement. I encourage you to come here, learn, explore and contribute.
Your first post - or contribution to the site you are asking for us to do work. What is curious is the use of the word "our" trusted dealer. As much as i hope you do stick around and contribute. many of us don't take kindly to those who pop in out of nowhere and expect that were just sitting waiting to serve
if you stick around for a while. learn and maybe even contribute a bit there are many member of this forum that go above and beyond to help out a fellow watch loving soul
In conclusion - the holy grail is not an item produced by any dealer - but a thought, a feeling and a peace of mind.
Stick to that
and - choose your dealer then your watch and you will find all you seek
Forums are Forums! And as the word says (latin for market square) you will find all sorts of people, opinions etc. And that is the real value of this forum.
it is beyond me why people on this Forum permanently lecture others "how to use the forum properly"
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@ norbert
My point is that I prefer to change what I am ABLE to change.
Rather than waiting for the manufacturers.
I can´t make a better movement or case so I concentrate on smaller things.
Adding a new strap or those screws is really fun for me and I love the
way it turned out. I enjoy my 111 more now while I´m waiting for other things.
SO WHEN WILL SOMEONE COME UP WITH THE CORRECT
"OFFICINE PANERAI" ON THE MOVEMENT......
We are of the same kind mate. I have a 111H and I also directly replaced the strap and the screws!!
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I love diving watches. Only problem is there are far too many out there that I want to add to my collection.
With the introduction of wrist size dive computers, the future of proper diving watches is more than dubious. PAM, Sub, Seamaster are all produced for the wrist of the rich and will never see the bottom of the sea.
A flair of ridiculous (like in 4x4 cars) is sneaking in
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well...lately seen a lot of complaints about flaws on reps...but that somebody actually cares if the screw is 0,1mm too short...oh man! that is....I am speachless..
well, in the end i am glad that you are happy now!
The tendency in replica watches in the moment is to spend 90% of the effort and money for the movement (like the Swiss Unitas, 2892, 7753 etc), concentrate on idiotic little things in the movement like -non functioning swan necks AND then keep give aways like -cheap screws- -cheap bracelets and straps which directly makes the whole watch look cheap and fake !!!
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Does anybody know, if we can expect a good quality Replica of the Panerai Ferrari range soon from our trusted dealers?
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Thanks for joining in By-Tor!!
I was hoping that you would participate as the real Omega rep expert.
We were discussing this fact earlier C(HRONO 903 "I know what you mean but, the omega pins are not split pins, they are solid pegs that fit into a sleeve.")
So I double checked and the one I have actually has got screws and not pins that look like screws
After my discussion on the Omega Seamaster, Joshua got involved and, being the real gentleman, we all know he is,
he has offered to take the watch back and refund without any question.
(But...as I have mentioned in previous mail, I will not take this offer, because I like the new arrangement with the blue sharkleather strap from Don)
I have to re-join the people who regard Joshua in the highest order
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So you will be altering/amending and posting something in your initial thread?
JTB
Will do.
The overall discussion was allright, though.
cheers
N
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After my discussion on the Omega Seamaster, Joshua got involved and, being the real gentleman, we all know he is,
he has offered to take the watch back and refund without any question.
(But...as I have mentioned in previous mail, I will not take this offer, because I like the new arrangement with the blue sharklether strap from Don)
I have to re-join the people who regard Joshua in the highest order
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Just for the record: The 3rd gen Planet Ocean (that I used to own) had miniscule screws in the bracelet. However I treated them like pins because despite looking like screws they didn't "screw out". I suspect the new Omega rep models all use these same parts (can't be sure though).
Just take a hammer and pliers and resize the bracelet like they were pins. Worked for me without any problems.
Thanks for joining in By-Tor!!
I was hoping that you would participate as the real Omega rep expert.
We were discussing this fact earlier C(HRONO 903 "I know what you mean but, the omega pins are not split pins, they are solid pegs that fit into a sleeve.")
So I double checked and the one I have actually has got screws and not pins that look like screws
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norbert & nardis,
I think you both have blown this problem out of proprotion. I do not know how long either of you have been buying reps, except my honest opinion is....You Both Are out of line. Joshua Can NOT always control the quality of pins in bands. This is getting rediculous.
IMHO, I think this should be dropped right here....and leave Josh alone. Take you watch to a repair shop and fix your band.
If you guys are going to complain over something so small, then both of you should not buy reps. I have been around the forums for awhile now, and lets let this post DIE.
Thank You,
Mikellem
Good idea Mikellem
I also have got an idea for you.
Why dont you change RWG.CC into Joshua-Fanclub.com ?
If members are not allowed to discuss faulty products from your idols, why do you call this a forum?
The Replica business is a business.
And as well as Joshua is generating loads of customers on this board he has to face some discussions about problems with his product.
Nobody needs useless advice like this ("bring it to a watchmaker!") from you
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No need to be sarcastic!
For general information (ie. not directed at anyone) - the correct construction of the Seamaster bracelets is that the links should be held together by pins and not screws. Contrary to popular thinking this is not a sign of cheaper construction as the pins are not the typical 'split' type but are in fact very well engineered hi-tensile pins held in place by specially shaped tubes that grip the pins at an indentation approx. 1/3 along their length. This, along with slip tubes concealed in the links allows the bracelet to 'flex' without the associated risks of screws which can (and often do) work loose. The pins are extremely strong along the axis they are designed to 'support' the bracelet, but are also prone to shattering if you attempt to extract them from the bracelet in the wrong direction, because of their hi-tensile construction.
I can understand why a rep factory would want to dispense with this mode of securing the links as it is costly to temper steel this way and makes construction of the band more labour intensive. Earlier SMP reps used exactly the same dimension and quality of parts as the genuine items - this I know because I have substitued rep parts for the real ones when they have become damaged (which is why I know about the shattering!!)
Thanks R11co!! Quality reply (not sarcastic).
But you see what I mean. We discuss since 24 hrs about the low quality screws in the Rep SMP and then the dealer contributes as above.
It certainly looks like the lion share of efforts in the Rep business goes into the movement with high end ETA etc. .
My impression as a newbee is that a bit more investment in the bracelet (and straps! Some of those leather imitations look ridiculous on a 2000 USD watch)
The bracelet contributes a lot the the overall impression of the Rep. I do not see the point of investing hundreds of USD in the movement and 10 in the bracelet.
Well known problem I guess.
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If you would be happy with a poor bracelet that breaks after a week in a 250 USD watch than I must say you are a lovely customer.
I do not think that my expectation to get a decent quality for decent money are absolutely inappropriate.
Further: My expectations towards this product would be much lower, if it would not hae been bought on "personal reccommendation" by the (highly respected) dealer !!
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Hi Norbert,
You mails probably did come in during the time my email addy got hijacked...It is my policy to reply to every single email, pm... I am sorry for the troubles and the communication breakdown.
Yes I did recommend this watch to you .. I recommend based on the merits on the closeness to genuine factor.., working GMT, overall very well made and the positve feedback I have from others who has bought this watch from me..
I do not know if the genuine watch's bracalet is made in pin or screws... But for the rep of this watch along with many others in reps and also in genuine, this bracelet is made in pins.. Bracelet is pins is not a measure that the rep is bad quality... It is just it is made this way..
I have also advise on sending the watch to a jeweller for re-sizing... If the bracelet is mess up, I can always send you a replacement bracelet..
...It will only brig you frustration and lead you to this...This is an hobby, relax and enjoy the reps as they were.. Drop me a mail and let me know what you need.. I can't get you a screwed bracelet for sure..but the same one you received ..No problems at all...
Thanks
joshua
...But to keep insisting that this rep should be made in screwed bracelet and must have a screwed bracelet will not bring you anywhereDid you actually read my initial post at all???
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I HAVE PURCHASED OVER A DOZEN WATCHES FROM JOSHUA FOR ME AND FRIENDS AND I HAVE HAD ONE PROBLEM.. I NEVER BROUGHT IT TO THE FORUM BECAUSE JOSHUA REPLACED THE WATCH NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I HAVE PURCHASED FROM 5 DIFFERENT DEALERS AND JOSHUA HAS BEEN THE BEST. GOOD FRIENDLY COMMUNICATION, SHIPPING INFORMATION, FAIR PRICE AND OUTSTANDING PRODUCT, BUT WHATS MOST IMPORTANT WHEN I HAD A PROBLEM HE FIXED IT LIKE A GENTLEMAN AND I DID NOT HAVE TO BRING DIRTY LAUNDRY TO ANY ONE OF THE FORUMS. I AM SURE THAT IF JOSHUA WAS PROPERLY NOTIFIED HE WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
I thoroughly enjoyed todays discussion.
I am a Consultant Surgeon and on call today. I had some time. This discussion was very interesting. I every now and again research the forum, but never contributed. That was an interesting discussion!!
I will not review this threat any further as I will be on travel from now:
Thanks for everybody contributing. I know precisely where I stand
R11co: I actually enjoyed our argument. I think your contributions were brilliant!! I just liked to shoot back every now and again. I hope you took it the same.
Joshua: I believe that this discussion has not harmed you. If you see all those people defending and refereeing for you just confirms what made me do business with you. YOU ARE THE BEST!! I look forward to further business. (But I would think twice before selling another bracelet like that)
DRVJA, Nouns Defions: I like it how you all guarantee for Joshua. I do not wash dirty laundry. What is the point in only bringing the good cases up in the Forum. This forum is powerful. You need positive and negative feedbacks on this forum.
No, I did not play Dodge-Ball because I am German.
ALL THE BEST,
Norbert
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Before all the "joshua needs to fix it" complaint, maybe you should bring it to the watchsmith, see if he has proper tools to resize your bracelet.
I got a few Omega watches that I wasn't able to resize myself. I brought it to the watchsmith and he resized it for me. It's like $5 USD.
I haven't bought anything from Joshua, but his reviews are very positive.
My suggestion is to go to a watchsmith, see if he can resize it for you.
If he can't do it, you may ask Joshua, see if he can send you a replacement bracelet.
Thank you for this reply. I have left out some developments to make the initial post not too long:
I had initial exchanges with Joshua on this topic. He was helpful. I brought it to my watchsmith, who needed 5 days to get them out!! He charged me 30 USD for it (friendly price). He is one of these old guys, who like to fiddle. Otherwise, he said, he would have refused the job. He said: Nice watch, but terrible bracelet.
Anyway, it's your job to do reserach on flaws. Joshua just can't list all the problems of the watch before he sells it to you.
Agree: But mind, Joshua sold me this watch as a personal reccommendation
(again the email: "The other is the Omega Seamaster Pro and GMT.. Omega watches, SS range,.In my opinion is better made in genuine and in reps than Rolex")
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I was first to back your opinion of the watch, and to treat with caution your opinion of the dealer. If you can't understand that then, well, poor you!
There is a faction in this group that dispenses with the flowery language and the blowing of smoke up peoples' asses telling them they are absolutely positively right, only to hypocritically point out where they are wrong.
Ask TTK!! We speak it like it is!
Your snivelling last post only highlights what a plonker you are. I stand by what I said that you registered here simply to go off on one about Josh and how hard-done by you think you were. Had you registered and looked about a bit or even bothered to do a search you would know that the issue of the deteriorating quality of Seamaster reps has already been discussed.
Had you looked for Josh's last dozen posts you would also have known about his email problem.
Don't going playing the gent now.....
After reading that, I could understand perfectly if Josh was to let you stew for a bit....
Interesting post R2 (like most of your contributions).
Ad1: Review your own language first and the way you approach other members
Ad2: I believe it was you who questioned the quality of the watch and the price in your first mail, knowing who the dealer is
Ad3: Not everybody has the time (like you) to permantly browse through the board and not miss a single information
Ad4: If the "deteriorating quality of the Seamaster" is so well known, why did Joshua personally reccommend me this watch?
(and here I quote his email: Joshua: "The other is the Omega Seamaster Pro and GMT.. Omega watches, SS range,.In my opinion is better made in genuine and in reps than Rolex "
Ad5: I have replaced the strap long ago with a leather strap "letting me stew" would have no effect on anybody
R2, I say it again. If all your contribution to this discussion is hobby-psychology and insults, stay out and go to the pub.
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I gotta go with Gran on this one-Joshua, River and EL are solid as a rock. I'd add Jay and Angel and King to that. There are a few things I've learned in the short time I've been collecting reps. One, do your homework. It sounds like you did Norbert, finding RWG, Josh and asking for recommendations but maybe missed the Omega quality discussion. Two, be patient. Again, it sounds like you did this, to a degree. Three, I'm going with be patient again because this hobby requires loads of it and because sometimes things happen and there is no quick fix. Four, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Perhaps a better way to have approached this would have been to ask "Hey, has anyone heard from Joshua. I picked up an Omega from him that has some quality issues and I haven't been able to get a reply out of him. Joshua, if you see this, email me or PM me. Thanks." Then you would have a whole slew of people trying to help you resolve the problem rather than call into question your motives.
Just my two cents, which is worth considerably less than that.
Hope you get it resolved. Be sure to let us know. I have every confidence in Joshua.
Climb on.
Very nice and helpful reply. Thank you very much.
I do appreciate that my title is a bit to forward, but I wanted to discuss. Joshua is far to well respected (including by myself!!) to get harmed in his business in this forum as NARDIS has suggested.
I personally did not start this topic to get a new bracelet or anything material from Josh (as R11CO has hinted), I also did not want to abuse this board for personal problems,
I simply wanted to
A: Find out why Josh has not answered
B: Discuss a very interesting issue
A was answered by the members (His email adress was hijacked). That certainly surprised me and I apologized to Josh
B: It has started a very interesting discussion and I believe that is what this (fantastic) board is all about.
I would like to thank everybody involved (except R11CO of course) for this
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Yes.. I wanted to say that from the start.. it look like screws but they are actualy pins...
Interesting point to discuss
Why does somebody put pins that look like screws into a replica when the original has got pins??
Does that make sense to anybody?
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Actually it does matter as his email was hijacked. It was not like he wanted to change email address.
Birdman
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Thank you! A highjacked email adress is certainly not Joshua`s fault. Also very difficult for me to suspect anything else than "being ignored" as this adress has worked beautifully in the past.
JOSHUA, if you read this: I apologise for questioning your service!!!! Looks like bad luck has stroke a bit.
But this discussion also has worked out that there are issues with the Seamaster`s bracelet which are unsatisfactory.
Buyers And Sellers --policy And Some Simple Manners...
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Never mind EL. Love this reply. All the best! Your first post was actually quite funny !!