norbert

Never mind EL. Love this reply. All the best! Your first post was actually quite funny !!

Well TTK! Although I have never bought a watch with you, you seem to be the kind of dealer who runs the replica business as it should be !!! Alone by your "10 reasons" post I can tell that you agree with my last post

I noticed the -lemming like- tendency on this board to glorify dealers early on. They sit somewhere in Singapore or China and live a nice life making enourmous profits on faked watches. We are experiencing a small time window, where plagiats from China can reach the rich countries via internet. The dealers make good money and the customers in Europe/America get a pretty watch to impress their mates. Even a nice hobby has generated out of this This positive vibe should not cover that dealers should deliver a decent quality and should check their products. A lot of those just act as a mediator between the factory in China and the customer in America. Those -high end dealers- we talk about here insist on calling their fakes REPLICAS and therefore accept that the result should be -near perfect-. So do not complain if your customers expect -near perfect- I agree to all this but in the end it is all business. We pay good money (and 200 USD would feed the Chinese producer of the watch quite a while) and expect something good. The recent tendency from the board to belittle buyers complaints annoys me. So does the arrogance of some dealers who have no hesitation to make fun of their customers...those customers who give them a nice life in Singapore or Shanghai. The most I get annoyed by "independent" board members who constantly take side for the dealers, regardless what and treat the buyers like fools. I made good business in the past with different dealers and I had good and bad experiences. I believe that this board is a phantasic source of knowledge in the rep market.

Crap post and arrogant too. If you guys try to sell chinese fakes for 200 USD+ with a nice profit you should take your customers more serious and not reveal your -I dont care about those idiots!" character with posts like that. If the quality of your fakes is so poor as the numbers and variety of posts suggest---sit down and improve yourself instead of pencelling annoying posts like that

Have a look at this, quite stunning THIS

Forums are Forums! And as the word says (latin for market square) you will find all sorts of people, opinions etc. And that is the real value of this forum. it is beyond me why people on this Forum permanently lecture others "how to use the forum properly"

Have a look here

We are of the same kind mate. I have a 111H and I also directly replaced the strap and the screws!!

With the introduction of wrist size dive computers, the future of proper diving watches is more than dubious. PAM, Sub, Seamaster are all produced for the wrist of the rich and will never see the bottom of the sea. A flair of ridiculous (like in 4x4 cars) is sneaking in

The tendency in replica watches in the moment is to spend 90% of the effort and money for the movement (like the Swiss Unitas, 2892, 7753 etc), concentrate on idiotic little things in the movement like -non functioning swan necks AND then keep give aways like -cheap screws- -cheap bracelets and straps which directly makes the whole watch look cheap and fake !!!

Does anybody know, if we can expect a good quality Replica of the Panerai Ferrari range soon from our trusted dealers?

After my discussion on the Omega Seamaster, Joshua got involved and, being the real gentleman, we all know he is, he has offered to take the watch back and refund without any question. (But...as I have mentioned in previous mail, I will not take this offer, because I like the new arrangement with the blue sharkleather strap from Don) I have to re-join the people who regard Joshua in the highest order

Will do. The overall discussion was allright, though. cheers N

After my discussion on the Omega Seamaster, Joshua got involved and, being the real gentleman, we all know he is, he has offered to take the watch back and refund without any question. (But...as I have mentioned in previous mail, I will not take this offer, because I like the new arrangement with the blue sharklether strap from Don) I have to re-join the people who regard Joshua in the highest order

Thanks for joining in By-Tor!! I was hoping that you would participate as the real Omega rep expert. We were discussing this fact earlier C(HRONO 903 "I know what you mean but, the omega pins are not split pins, they are solid pegs that fit into a sleeve.") So I double checked and the one I have actually has got screws and not pins that look like screws

Good idea Mikellem I also have got an idea for you. Why dont you change RWG.CC into Joshua-Fanclub.com ? If members are not allowed to discuss faulty products from your idols, why do you call this a forum? The Replica business is a business. And as well as Joshua is generating loads of customers on this board he has to face some discussions about problems with his product. Nobody needs useless advice like this ("bring it to a watchmaker!") from you

Thanks R11co!! Quality reply (not sarcastic). But you see what I mean. We discuss since 24 hrs about the low quality screws in the Rep SMP and then the dealer contributes as above. It certainly looks like the lion share of efforts in the Rep business goes into the movement with high end ETA etc. . My impression as a newbee is that a bit more investment in the bracelet (and straps! Some of those leather imitations look ridiculous on a 2000 USD watch) The bracelet contributes a lot the the overall impression of the Rep. I do not see the point of investing hundreds of USD in the movement and 10 in the bracelet. Well known problem I guess.

... Did you actually read my initial post at all???

I thoroughly enjoyed todays discussion. I am a Consultant Surgeon and on call today. I had some time. This discussion was very interesting. I every now and again research the forum, but never contributed. That was an interesting discussion!! I will not review this threat any further as I will be on travel from now: Thanks for everybody contributing. I know precisely where I stand R11co: I actually enjoyed our argument. I think your contributions were brilliant!! I just liked to shoot back every now and again. I hope you took it the same. Joshua: I believe that this discussion has not harmed you. If you see all those people defending and refereeing for you just confirms what made me do business with you. YOU ARE THE BEST!! I look forward to further business. (But I would think twice before selling another bracelet like that) DRVJA, Nouns Defions: I like it how you all guarantee for Joshua. I do not wash dirty laundry. What is the point in only bringing the good cases up in the Forum. This forum is powerful. You need positive and negative feedbacks on this forum. No, I did not play Dodge-Ball because I am German. ALL THE BEST, Norbert

Thank you for this reply. I have left out some developments to make the initial post not too long: I had initial exchanges with Joshua on this topic. He was helpful. I brought it to my watchsmith, who needed 5 days to get them out!! He charged me 30 USD for it (friendly price). He is one of these old guys, who like to fiddle. Otherwise, he said, he would have refused the job. He said: Nice watch, but terrible bracelet. Anyway, it's your job to do reserach on flaws. Joshua just can't list all the problems of the watch before he sells it to you. Agree: But mind, Joshua sold me this watch as a personal reccommendation (again the email: "The other is the Omega Seamaster Pro and GMT.. Omega watches, SS range,.In my opinion is better made in genuine and in reps than Rolex")

Interesting post R2 (like most of your contributions). Ad1: Review your own language first and the way you approach other members Ad2: I believe it was you who questioned the quality of the watch and the price in your first mail, knowing who the dealer is Ad3: Not everybody has the time (like you) to permantly browse through the board and not miss a single information Ad4: If the "deteriorating quality of the Seamaster" is so well known, why did Joshua personally reccommend me this watch? (and here I quote his email: Joshua: "The other is the Omega Seamaster Pro and GMT.. Omega watches, SS range,.In my opinion is better made in genuine and in reps than Rolex " Ad5: I have replaced the strap long ago with a leather strap "letting me stew" would have no effect on anybody R2, I say it again. If all your contribution to this discussion is hobby-psychology and insults, stay out and go to the pub.

Very nice and helpful reply. Thank you very much. I do appreciate that my title is a bit to forward, but I wanted to discuss. Joshua is far to well respected (including by myself!!) to get harmed in his business in this forum as NARDIS has suggested. I personally did not start this topic to get a new bracelet or anything material from Josh (as R11CO has hinted), I also did not want to abuse this board for personal problems, I simply wanted to A: Find out why Josh has not answered B: Discuss a very interesting issue A was answered by the members (His email adress was hijacked). That certainly surprised me and I apologized to Josh B: It has started a very interesting discussion and I believe that is what this (fantastic) board is all about. I would like to thank everybody involved (except R11CO of course) for this

Interesting point to discuss Why does somebody put pins that look like screws into a replica when the original has got pins?? Does that make sense to anybody?

Thank you! A highjacked email adress is certainly not Joshua`s fault. Also very difficult for me to suspect anything else than "being ignored" as this adress has worked beautifully in the past. JOSHUA, if you read this: I apologise for questioning your service!!!! Looks like bad luck has stroke a bit. But this discussion also has worked out that there are issues with the Seamaster`s bracelet which are unsatisfactory.