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Hello dear fellow members. It is possible this has been posted in earlier threads, but I feel I must tell you the result of my investigations, it was really a coincidence. As the most strange thing happended, my BP DSSD with the cheapest movment option "A2813 Hibeat new breed 25j movement) - When I picked it up the other day, the HE valve had fallen out!. I tried to put it back in, but it seems it will not get entirely into the hole. So I used the sticky tape ball and opened the freaking thing. Inside is the movement. This is also the same movement used in some of the cheapest models of SUB and other Rollies. It has replaced the earlier A2813 low-beat in some models. This is typically used in reps from a 100-150USD. My DSSD costs 218, but much, much cheaper than the ETA Asian Clone and Swiss ETA versions ranging about 400 USD. So, it is a very cheap movmement. The cheapest hibeat they use. If you have option for Asian2836 or Asian2824 clone, they are usually significantly more expencive. Then it came to my mind, it looked rather similar to something else I have been studying lately. The movement of my BP PO Ceramic. I ordered and paid for swiss ETA 2836, but got the Asian Clone 2836. I could tell from the movement, since the watch has crystal caseback, and you don't have to open it to see the movement. Ok, so people are telling me I should keep the watch, get it serviced or something, and maybe ask for a refund. I got something less than I paid for. But, it seems it is much worse. This Asian clone 2836 they claim to be using in the BP Ceramic, is not an 2836 clone. It is the cheapy A2813 hibeat, as used in watches from 100-150USD and up! Same [censored], it is almost impossible to get it into the time change mode (crown is somewhat stuck in the first mode, date change mode), and one has to attempt many times before it clicks out into the time change mode. So, I paid 368USD + freight for a A2813 hibeat, a movement costing something like 30-35USD??? To all of you guys getting the Asian Clone 2836 PO Ceramic, it is the crap movement they sell in the budget Rollies! I reckon the socalled swiss ETA is really the Asian Clone 2836 then, it looks more like an ETA.