Are these Sub Reps the same ?

[GWP123]

http://pureti.me/product/submariner-116610-ln-black-ceramic-11-noob-best-edition-a2836/

 

and 

 

http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=10407

Also from this site: http://imgur.com/a/1bY9m

 

I am about to purchase and want to know if these are the same! Please let me know if you know if these are the same...

 

Also, Any positive and negative criticism for and against each is very welcome.  I am looking to make a purchase. 

 

...Puretime just told me they are out of stock for 1 - 2 months...

[GWP123]

Thoughts anyone? I found this one too:

 

http://www.p-cls.com/rlss00008-116610-black-swiss-28363135-p-13285.html

 

Looks the same as the one from Trusty

Edited November 6, 2013 by GWP123

[Chrononna]

first two are both used A2836-2 movement, but price varies ...