bruce79 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Yeah I'm not sure what to think right now. PT listed the 2836-2 as the movement coming in the UPO over at RWI and listed the 2832-2 as coming in the UPO casino royale. No where was there ever a mention of the 2842. I assumed it was 2824 because of recent threads listed by fellow members. This is indeed a bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 @The Zigmeister Ya I do understand that its a reliable movement, but yes you are right, it is not what I was expecting to buy. I also feel that PT will not have a ready solution to this problem as his entire stock my have the 2842s... I'm just trying to think whether I should just live with this or whether I should go for a refund... Its a hard decision, after all the watch is bloody nice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Pictures Ziggy, Oh you mean the ones in the link? here is a link to the 2842 for any one interested oops, keyboard slip, I didn't scroll up high enough...I meant bruce79's pics...got you and his posts mixed up. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Yeah I'm not sure what to think right now. PT listed the 2836-2 as the movement coming in the UPO over at RWI and listed the 2832-2 as coming in the UPO casino royale. No where was there ever a mention of the 2842. I assumed it was 2824 because of recent threads listed by fellow members. This is indeed a bummer. Its very heart-aching, isn't it? How long ago did you order the watch? If PT doesn't have a solution, I will just keep it for sometime, save up some cash and try to source a 2824-2 somewhere and have it replaced along with some other mods such as dial, bezel insert, etc, now that I know someone who can do this for me in Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 @Ziggy Ya I do understand that its a reliable movement, but yes you are right, it is not what I was expecting to buy. I also feel that PT will not have a ready solution to this problem as his entire stock my have the 2842s... I'm just trying to think whether I should just live with this or whether I should go for a refund... Its a hard decision, after all the watch is bloody nice... Well I guess the good news, is that the 2842 is only a 10 year old movement, but the 2836-2 goes back 25 years...so you may have a much newer movement than if you bought a 2836-2 model. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mentalist Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Bruce, are those pics of a UPO? What impresses me most is the rotor decoration. Why couldn't all of them be like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce79 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 @ TM: Yes that is my UPO, the rotor is decorated rather nicely. @ Vienna: It'd be interesting to see what solution PT could have, if any. IMO, sending this watch back to him is not an option for me. I originally ordered my first UPO from him in August but had to send it back in early Sept. due to a cosmetic flaw and shipping was $25 my cost. I just received the replacement last week and I just can't pay more shipping fees and wait another 6 weeks to get this resolved. Besides, the chances of him sourcing an UPO with the correct movement don't look to good considering. Perhaps I'm wrong though and it was just a mix up but The Zigmeister seems to be right in regards to the scarcity of ETA movements. We'll see what PT says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 @bruce79 Yes we shall! I will keep you guys in the loop regarding PTs answer! I'll make a post to this thread as soon as I hear something! I'm out for the night! Under the circumstances, have a good day/night! Regards, VW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 (edited) Well guys, I've got good news! PT is sourcing some POs with 2836s and I believe, well if I am not mistaken, 2824-2 movements as well. Supposedly there is some overstock of the 2836s somewhere and he will be able to get a couple of them. After all the research and inputs from you guys, I don't deny the ETA 2842 good or reliable, but I just feel a lot better with my PO having a 28800 bph movement. I'm going to exchange the PO I currently have with one of the other ones when PT receives them. Should be about 1 to 2 weeks times, maybe a bit longer. If anyone is still interested in purchasing POs with 2836 or 2824, you can contact PT and see what he can do for you. Seems like the 2836 is going out of production and we may only be left with the 2842... I wonder what implications this has on the rep industry, is it a move from Swatch to make it more difficult to rep a watch? Afterall, the sweep of a second hand is be a dead give away as a rep even if the entire aesthetics of the watch are dead on. Regards, VW Edited November 3, 2007 by Viennawatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 (edited) So further recent news is that PT will have this issue corrected with his suppliers! 2842s POs he currently has in stock will be replaced by either 2824-2s or 2836-2s! Hope this info helps with anyone's next purchase from PT! He's a really good guy who'll always stick to his word and is always willing to solve a problem! The wrong movement found in the PO was basically a misunderstanding. Regards, VW Edited November 4, 2007 by Viennawatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce79 Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 All they need to do is throw all these surplus 2842s in the vintage Rollies and take the 2836 out of the vintage Rollies and put them in the UPOs... Good news though, PT told me he would hear some news soon so I guess here it is...good news for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 (edited) All they need to do is throw all these surplus 2842s in the vintage Rollies and take the 2836 out of the vintage Rollies and put them in the UPOs... Good news though, PT told me he would hear some news soon so I guess here it is...good news for us. Indeed it is Bruce! In fact, I'll be sending back the PO I received earlier this week back to him tomorrow and should receive the better version by end of the week or beginning of next week! :D Edited November 4, 2007 by Viennawatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrickvilleboy Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 I dont get it......the genuine PO has a slower beat anyway - you've essentially got a more closer to the original movement than the 2824s...Not sure what you're complaining about? I thought the whole point of this hobby was to get a replica as close to the genuine as possible without compromising on quality - the ETA 2842s are just as reliable as the 2824s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 I dont get it......the genuine PO has a slower beat anyway - you've essentially got a more closer to the original movement than the 2824s...Not sure what you're complaining about? I thought the whole point of this hobby was to get a replica as close to the genuine as possible without compromising on quality - the ETA 2842s are just as reliable as the 2824s. Well yes Marrickvilleboy, if you read through the thread, we do agree to the fact that the 2842s are just as reliable, its not an issue of reliability. The 2842 beats at 21,600 A/hr, where the genuine PO beats at 25,200 A/hr. The 2836 and 2824s go at 28,800 A/hr IMO, when I see a watch using the 2842, I don't need to stare at it to see it ticking slower. A quick glance is all I need, but when it comes to the 25,200 A/hr, its a little bit more difficult to tell when compared to the 28,800 A/hr. Sure if you have them side by side, you may be able to tell, but what are the chances of someone running into you noticing it and then pulling out one with 25.200 A/hr and comparing? I've recently held a genuine PO at an AD and from my personal eye, the movement is noticeably smoother than that of a watch with an ETA 2842. Then again what are the chances of anyone really spotting it when using a 2842? Quite low, but I can tell you for sure that I WILL spot it. You are right about this being a hobby to get as close to the genuine as possible and IMHO, I think a 2836/2824, would be closer in terms of sweep and SOME others do as well. I think in terms of sweep its all a matter of "feel good factor," rather than it being spot on, as thats pretty much impossible. Regards, VW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrickvilleboy Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 ahh i'm sorry. I get where you're coming from now. I have spare 2824s, wanna trade? =p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 ahh i'm sorry. I get where you're coming from now. I have spare 2824s, wanna trade? =p Hey I'm already sending my PO back to PT for replacement as he will send mine and a few others back to factories in China. Sorry mate! Regards, VW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viennawatch Posted November 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Sooo the process took about 3 weeks, but here I am back with a message. Just received my new pumpkin PO back from PT and its using the 2824-2! I must say I am happy with it and soon, but not very soon, it will get some mods! PT is a great collector, he always comes through! Regards, VW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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