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I had purchased a UPO with chief AR a few years back. While I was pleased with the crystal, the watch wasn't the ultimate I thought it should be. I have had two great reps in my opinion and those were the Breitling Seawolf and Steelfish (not that there aren't better or more great reps out there, but i haven't owned them and I bring these two up for comparison.) The UPO dial didn't seem as deep of a color as the gen and the markers were a off color. Anyways, is the new 42mm Gen 5.5 a great improvement or is it a tweak of the old and will I find myself disappointed? I love the franken POs, but the stock ones just aren't doing it for me. It is a shame also, because I love omega watches and have a few gen seamaster pros.

major work as how much?

thanks, the movement wasn't as bad as I thought. It may need work, but I think it is worth investigating more. I found some good prices on the 2892s and may also just pick one up to throw in and keep working on the 1120.

It is a nighthawk hanging around... just got two new gen complete bezels and it is hard to show, but the rep is definetly not as precise on the edges of the scallops. All the gens, even the well loved ones, have a crisp almost knife edge to them when viewed from above. The reps are just rounded and I think this is one of the nice design features of the GEN.

if i get a working 2892 as a donor it should be feasible to get it back?

The movement may be bulletproof, but it isn't waterproof This is a new project, but is this movement salvageable? any good points of contact to ask about recovering this gem or is no a good conversation piece paper weight? Hi pressure water hammer cracked the crystal, fresh water go into the movement and it stopped I think instantly. This was a well used GEN SMP, so not worth over $1000 in the working condition it was in before the instance, so not looking to spend more than a couple hundred to get it back. (including new movement or movement service, dial, hands, and crystal)

andy, Thanks for the pics and info. I am aware of the diameter similiarities, but given the small profile of the GEN SMP and how the 1120 movement is snug in there, I wasn't sure if the taller 2824 would work. I believe now it is worth giving it a shot if I can't source an 1120 or a 2892A2 for this rebuild (if it doesnt work I won't lose my ass dumping the 2824 to someone elses project). I will let you know as this progresses. I will get some pictures of the damages (for everyones shits and giggles) and to record the starting point of the project. Thanks for the help and if anyone runs across the 1120 movement for sale please let me know. (I had someone source me one for $899, but I don't think so and another for $599 on ebay) I have seen them go for a fraction of that cost and if I can't find it, put in an ETA and then enjoy the watch until I find a good priced 1120. ANDY- Did you sell your SMP Franken? I saw it for sale, but didn't follow it to the end.

thanks, I couldn't find him while searching is there another name to search for or is there spaces somewhere in the name? I will let you know, you can let me know if you want to sell the gen movement for cheap. Also how much interchangeability between the 2892 and 1120 is there. Can I source the parts to fix it the 1120 straight from 2892 parts? Can the 1120 oscillating weight fit back on the 2892? can i take the base and the weight and put back together using 2892 donor movement or is the more work Omega did to them that will cause them not to fit.

Have a gen omega smp coming (makes three and one rep) but this one had a water damaged movement. Not sure how bad it is, but worst case can I put a 2824 movement in the case as is. I am pretty sure the 2892 based 1120 movement is 25% thinner, but has this been done? If not and I need a new movement can anyone help me source a cheap 2892 or even better the omega 1109/1120 movements? Also looking for some replacement GEN parts on the cheap. Thanks and happy new year.

Completely agree. That is the case with most REPs, the person wearing the REP is more likely to think it has "TELLS", but it all truth most people think seiko and citizen and for high end "ROLEX" or "TAG" for the marketing machines. Omega and Breitling are my favorite GEN brands and most people don't know them (more Omega than Breitling) But long answer to you are right you will be good to go wearing this REP It is a great buy

This is not a comparison from a super rep or a 1:1 rep, but a comparison that I wanted for a while of a $110 WBK Bond and the GEN. First let me say that it is a great buy and a great rep, but not a super/ultimate rep. From my experiences you will find a lot of people won't know what omega is let alone tell the difference in crown guards from your wrist. Before I get in to the comparisons I recently found two NOS pre-1997 2531.80's. Before 1997 Omega didn't use super-luminova so there is patina on the lume and some collectors prefer the proper aging look. I am not a photographer disclaimer. In all the pictures I will try and point out GEN and REP, but the GENs will be on no bracelet or on the zulu strap and the REP will have one side of the bracelet free, but be on the bracelet. First pic is the intro GEN pic for reference Side by Side the GEN on top, you notice the He valve and crown are larger on the REP. Later you will see the overall case is larger also on the REP. He Valve on the REP is slightly above the 50 marker as the GEN, but not far enough and with the larger He Valve it is less noticeable as being above the 50 marker. There will be better pictures to show this position. Also the Crown guards are a little sharper, but are more pronounced with the larger crown on the REP. In this picture you can see He an Crown of the Rep and larger bezel pearl On the GEN the crown guards are smaller and more rounded. The crown is smaller and fits better in the guard, then with the REP. The bezel pearl is inset and flush Same as previous from a different angle GEN on the left you can see the smaller overall case thickness and the higher He Valve then the Rep GEN right, the REP has a LARGE crown and really over powers the side of the guards. The thickness difference is also shown here. another of case thickness and valve size Pearl and He Valve shown here Case back the GEN is just better finished and smoother. It is deeper, but the big difference is the edges just feel better finished GEN Bracelet has blue film still on it (NOS) the GEN Markings are bigger and deeper, but big difference is the smoothness of the finish. Very refined. GEN closest to the camera. The REP just gets sticky with kinks, the GEN is like butter. REP missing some number markings on the end links and by the under clasp area. The REP has a very nice dial, but does not have the depth to the waves the GEN does GEN different angles and different lighting changes the dial GEN different angle REP Crown and Crown guard GEN Crown and Crown guard case height Rep dial Rep dial Gen WAVES Bezel Similar colors, slightly darker on the REP. The Pearl needs to have a good mod. Crown/Crown Guards Crown is larger on the REP and crown guards a bit sharper (read less rounded edges) He Valve Rep has it just above the 50, but not far enough and with the larger He valve on the Rep it makes it look closer to the 50 Dial The rep dial is good, lume isn't very good and is standard rep lume, but it looks the part in the day. The Rep dial doesn't have the depth of the waves. Hands The hands are smaller on the Rep, but not bad Date font It is a 21J movement so date font is off. Also as with most 21J movements the date set is not as crisp as it is with the swiss movements Bracelet and Clasp End link is missing the numbers on the underside. The bracelet looks great and feels good. PIN adjustments like gen, not sure if it is the same as I havent adjusted either. Clasp is good, font is a bit off and more sharp at the edges. The clasp is crisp and works well. Overall For any price it is a good rep, for $110 it is a great rep. There arent many good ones of the SMP and for 98% this probably will function as is. Good rep that most won't see as a REP, the problem there are a bunch of GENs out there and you may run across them. These are great GENs and still affordable. They have continued to go up in price and with the Jan 01 OMEGA price hikes coming I think they are a good investment. Hope you enjoy feel free to ask any questions.

thanks concerns of shipping from sweden to US. Would consider a black dial, but would prefer the blue dial.

Who currently has the best price for a Breitling Blue Steelfish Superocean? Looking for the "ULTIMATE" one with swiss eta (are there any cheaper versions with swiss clones?)

Any body have the UPO black with white letters and really wants a black with orange letters? (I am the opposite) Does anyone want to swap the UPO dials? I have a UPO with orange numbers and want to get a upo with white numbers or maybe buy? Any options out there for me.

this is superb.....great job comparing all three. And as per previous conversation the upo and gen dials do look pretty spot on. The gen dial is a little finer on righting and the border on the lume it looks like. thanks

good point, I am in for a logo or a dial under $70 that is good to go with great lume and perfect markings.

in for black/white number UPO, but needs to be planned out sooner then later. in for black/white number UPO, but needs to be planned out sooner then later.

one thing also your UPO's date window is more like the gen. inward slop to the edge and the top "UPO" is more of a straighter edge. one thing also your UPO's date window is more like the gen. inward slop to the edge and the top "UPO" is more of a straighter edge.

Just saying hi from the pacific northwest (US)