TiberiousT

As far as the mbw modern subs go I would say save the money and go with EL(better crown, crown guards and dial).... the vintage models are a different story (the gen insert will also need to be trimmed to go on the mbw modern)

EL's lv has a bolded "m" in 300m and all the second markers are the same width.

Andrew's and Josh's lv have a thick second marker at every 5sec/hr interval without the bold "m".

Even for a rep newbie like me that is a glaring mistake. I can spot that a billion times easier than "rehaut"

Isn't the MBW 200M water resistant while the others are 30-50M?

That is a big deal to alot of people.

Rain and Splash or a real divers watch?

Or is that complete BS?

hello,

and now i´m totaly confused! which one is better, the 117 or the 581 cased fiddy?

best wishes

olreon

Here is the skinny as far as I can see after reading hours after hours.

I puchased the 581 from Andrew or trustywatchguy.

He is selling it right now for $300 plus shiping while Josh is selling the 117 for $400 plus shipping.

(Aspire,I think, is selling a new "7th gen" he adamantly claims has Sapphire crystal with AR but makes no claim as to the movement being eta or swiss. So take that however you want).

The watch from Andrew has a front sapphire crystal, I am 99.9% sure about it.

If it has AR coating it is so light it is useless. Seriously, Useless. The back is also sapphire. I am 90% confident of that.

Great case. Very good dial. Very good hands. Very good crown guard and crown. Swan neck is a bit flimsy.

This watch also has superluminova. The numbers have a slight green tint in the day, kinda like an off white or vintage white. Not a flaming green like the Seiko Monster I own. In the dark it glows like a torch. The gen does not have superluminova,or C7, it has the white luminova or C3. I think Josh's watch has c3 but not sure.You can ask him.Anways the original Marina Militare's from the 30's and 40's burned like torches with a radioactive material. Tritium I think but not sure. I prefer the superluminova.

Andrews watch does not have the 3 blue screws in the wheels of the movement. Josh's does. The gen does not have it but I like the look anyway. Some people will tell you that the engraving on the movement is absolutely horrible, that someone who has never seen a gen fiddy would know its fake becase the engraving is so bad. BS. It is ok. Will it fool a panerista? NO CHANCE. But it looks ok.

If you buy a rep fiddy you will need to ditch the leather strap. It sucks. The buckle is a screw type.It looks fine but feels flimsy. I bought a Mario Paci strap that comes with sewn in buckle but when I buy a strap without a buckle I will defintley buy a 26MM buckle from Davidsen.

All Fiddy's have a recessed pin problem that can be fixed. Well, Davidsen sells a fiddy with the pin fixed but it has other issues.

Bottom line I chose Andrew's fiddy based on price and bang for the buck. I can add an AR coat to the crystal and fix the pin problem later.

Andrew's customer service and shipping are first rate BTW. I will do a more formal review later in the dealer review section but that is all for now Folks.

Now I'm not doubting Linder's enthusiasm or intentions (nickel allergy? go gen or buy a Ti watch),

According to several post I have read here and other replica boards the gen uses 904L which has twice the nickel content of 316L. It gives the added luster when polished.But very bad for nickel allergy.

I can think of a few humans more deserving of being skinned and made into usefull watch straps - than ANY animal

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Well, I guess I could go for a Hillary cordovan strap.

Unlike equine stuff, this strap will be very wrinkly.

As long as it is not human or endangered I will wear it.

BTW:Ted Turner has a huge ranch raising buffalo for human consumption.

To my understanding the first run was mineral.

Then Japan only was either mineral or sapphire and export MM20's were all sapphire.

Even if it doesn't serve you also have my solidarity.

I consider this place as a house and I am really sorry when something happens to someone of us.

And I have to make you the compliments because despite what has happened you have also found the desire to share with you and to teach what must not be done.

It excuses my question but me I don't succeed in believing that they exist some so stupid people.

Who has the packet sent you has used real name?

How can you send payment without connecting your name to it ?

Someone bought a watch sending cash or some type of certified check without their name?

Dealer's don't send watches to PO Boexes do they?

EL

You should post his name and address(home or work).

Then send him a really bad gold plated Pres with pavee dial.

Value it at about $20K.

Write "solid gold rolex replica with real diamonds" on the package.

Yes, but the rest of the world with IP can't wait for China to decide to do the right thing. The EU is proposing legislation right now that will make any knowing importation of counterfeit goods a felony, and the US is in the process of enacting laws that will increase the civil and criminal liability of carriers -- that'll make DHL work a little harder to find out exactly what "birthday gift" Johnny Smith in Omaha is getting from Guangzhou.

I'm not saying it will be complete or fast, but the web will tighten. Big business interests are simply losing too much money and face, and it's not about just watches. The Chinese are counterfeiting and selling stuff that's not so easy to laugh off, from pacemakers to credit cards.

Don't live in the EU and don't care very much. Don't care about the little intracies of their legal system.

DHL criminally responsible.

In the US large corporations can rip off the State of CA for BILLIONS and nobody goes to jail.

Same coroporations liquidate life savings of empoyees and investors and maybe 2 or 3 people will see some jail time at Club Fed.

Enacting Laws and putting actual people in jail and enforcing massive legal fines on large corporations in the USA is a HUGE LEAP.

I think I will see Japan Natioanl Post head honchos in jail before the any one on the board of Directors at FEDEX,DHL,or UPS see jail time.

Plus our dealers ship EMS USPS to USA.

Yeah I can see the Civil Servants of USPS being hauled off to jail.

Just like JAPAN National Post.

Japan will drop all subsidies to rice farmers, and eliminate tariffs, and import restrictions on rice before that happens.

And meet the letter and spirit of its WTO obiligations.

Same joke with US corn,sugarbeet, and wheat farmers and their protections that violate WTO obligations.

I do think that eventually, IP enforcement is going to get to a point where rep buying will be nowhere near as easy as it is today. Unfortunate from a purely selfish viewpoint, but in the grand scheme of things I tend to think it's a good thing. Which is actually my excuse for indulging my rep fetish now . . . you don't really know what kind of later there will be.

China will enforce copyright law when Chinese companies have copyright interest overseas.

That will not happen for a long while.

Until then,China will just pay lip service to its WTO obligations.

BTW What is the latest on shipping problems.

What is this about Seiko enters the high end market?

Maybe enters high end Western Markets is more correct.

Grand Seikos have competed with Rolex et al for years. In Japan.

Who is going to pay 3200 Euros?

The boutique in Paris that carries Spring Drive is back ordered.

Or So I read.

I am a newbie who really wants to buy one of these Fiddy's and would appreciate any additional input.

If anybody has any additional insight gained the last couple of weeks or has the issues raised in this thread been resolved in some manner?

Any new info greatly appreciated.

ep:

very very nice. you have a good eye, the finish looks extraordinary. i am not familiar with the seller. if you don't mind, please either post or pm me his details (and ballpark pricing). thanks... again, great choice & wear it well!

Ron's email is watchbands@earthlink.net

website is www.internationalwatchman.com

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I have not purchased from him. Thought long and hard about it. Think I may prefer I watch with gen logos.