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panerai and skeleton movements are in big contrast... not all people will love it i love skeleton movements... but in panerai case? problem is that panerai hasn´t skeleton watches... so mostly people will not love it but when panerai build a skeleton watch... all poeple will told you... woooooow nice watch

italian 27jewels movement???

$20 sticker for a $150 watch yeah

how much worth genuine? $30.000??? $50,000???

look here call all experts what do you think? http://cgi.ebay.de/ROLEX-ref-3646-KAMPFSCH...1QQcmdZViewItem

good point

hey guys thank you for all your opinions but... come on friends ANYONE of you... (maybe ) do all this mods... to saying: YES it is genuine.. or will that other people think it is genuine if they look on your wrist??? NOT ANY??? realy???

dear friend yes you pay 10 time more for the genuine... but it has also 10 time more worth in used condition as the rep buy a genuine submariner for $4000 and you can sell it in 5 years after all for $3200 or more. but a modded $750 rep worth not $100 in 5 years.

YES i mean... why someone pay $150 for a fake watch and pay $250 for modifications on this watch? for this money you can get 2 or 3 of this watches or different models??? i think a replica watch is only for fun... and not to declare as genuine... also nobody will see a different about standard rep and modified rep... a amateur will not see a difference... and a Person with watch knowledge will also see that your best modified watch is ONLY a rep and not genuine... so what is your intentions?

some poeple get more money for modifications as for the whole watch i saw asian PAM 127 1950 (price max $150) with mods for 250euro ($330) in used condition on trading zone? last time a sub or a gmt master with mods for $450 or a swiss unitas PAM127 for $750 incl. mods and selling for $550!!!! what is your intention? i think a rep will be a rep... if the rep is good quality and closed to the gneuine it is nice... if not i will not work some weeks to bring it closer to genuine. if anybody will ask you: "hey nice watch it is genuine"... you will told him: "no it´s a rep, but cannion pin fixed by repaustria, superlumed hands by finepics, jimmy fu crown guard... bla bla bla" ????

superlumed? gmt hand is correct? correct date mag? correct printing? ar coating?

i use some genuine lacoste shirts... and they are very expensive here in germany.. 69euro each but i love it... i think it is a lot of money... but if you used genuine lacoste... you will never use a fake lacoste shirt...

it will not works on rep if the rep has asia 7750 it could work, because similar size but valjoux 7750 power reserve and asia 21j movement are totaly different. Also you need new dial and hands set...

it exist long time and mostly dealers has it???

a $1.200 movement in a $60 case

i have both version of replica PAM 090 with solid caseback and glass caseback but difference isn´t only the caseback. The version with glass caseback has blue color screws on movement... BUT the version with solid caseback is MUCH better quality. The front glass is sapphirre (not genuine sapphirre ar coated - i think synthetic sapphirre???) and not mineral glass like on other one. Also is the solid version thicker and heavyer. But the small second hands and power reserve hands on glass caseback version are bigger and better.

which of this watches have realy PRODUCED IN SWITZERLAND movement??? i am afraid... none

german police will do NOTHING they catch only replicas from the small replica collectors... but i wouldn´t discuss here if replica is legitimate or not... it isn´t... i buy it also and like replica watches... but they are unfair for all brand names. You know it, i know it... we all know it. but this is not the point. point is: selling a replica watch intentional as genuine... and i think (if it is sure 100% replica) the seller knows it... yes he knows it very good.

don´t call him i hope he sold this watch to an expert... and the buyer will reported him to german police if you call him.., you help him. But so bastard don´t need a help...

eta 2892-A2 or eta 2893-2 - 10.25g swiss decorated unitas - 23.65g asian unitas - 23.5g asian panerai swans neck - 23.25g asia 7753 (incl. steel crown) - 30.25g genuine omega valjoux 7750 - 26.10g venus 175 copy (incl. steel crown) - 19.8g i will look tomorrow for eta 2824-2...

dear Thor i haven´t weight both movements but i have many eta movements on stock and last time i get a genuine rolex caliber 1570 (from 70´s)... and belive me it weights maybe 3 times more than eta 2892... i hold the rolex caliber in my right hand and the eta caliber in my left hand... i feel a BIG BIG VERY BIG weight difference... also it is heavier than eta 2824... i am SURE damn i have sold the rolex caliber.... but i will look how much weights ETA movements wait a minute... i have some hundrets movements on stock

i don´t mean the reps... i mean the movements... please compare ONLY movements

it is confuse the seller is one of the biggest watch seller on ebay... why he will sell a fake? but other point... he is a bastard... he makes wrong descriptions... and he don´t make any hint about the movement caliber... if i sell a $15.000 watch i will ask about the movement caliber. but what is the intention of the seller? ...ok he could sell a replica... and if the buyer say: hey this is a replica... he will ask: oh i am so sorry i don´t know it... other point: if a guy spent $10.000 on a watch-... he wouln´t know that the running second runns on wrong subdial???-.... exist so stupid watch collectors?

gold color ETA movements never produced in switzerland... in switzerland were produced nickel or decorated movements. I never saw gold color ETA movement in switzerland (only decorated Unitas with special finish)??? ETA 2836-2 never produced in switzerland. ETA 2836-2 is long time out of production in swiss (around 20 years)... 2824-2 is the new 2836 movement but without day function... gold color 2836-2 are all from asian factorys... i don´t know if they build actual from asian ETA fatcorys or they are old stock from swiss 70´s 80´s years??? rolex movement has 28.800 beats... eta movement also 28.800 beats... but it beats different... close your eyes and hear both movements... and you will hear a difference... genuine rolex caliber and ETA caliber isn´t in any relation... genuine rolex caliber weight double as ETA caliber and MUCH BETTER quality... SWISS MADE is only a character and don´t meens: 100% produced in switzerland. ETA is a swiss factory and if they produced movements in asian factorys, they call it SWISS MADE and not MADE IN ASIA...