lloyd

I can send you pics of a gen if you want.

Sorry, I didn't know there were actual reps of it. I put my V2 clasp on a supa mesh and it looks great.

I guess I need to see if I can find a V2 clasp then. Thanks.

I have gens, but I like the challenge of building a good rep. I have a mill and lathe to work on the cases. I bought a pantograph engraver to do my own engraving. I have a tig welder to build up lugs and such. I enjoy the quest of making a great rep. Maybe one day I will make the "perfect one"   I guess it is an addiction.

eBay is your friend. Search for shark mesh bracelet.

Thanks. I have some generic ones from ebay, but I wanted a rep Omega one.

The old watches used a pantograph. You can get used ones on ebay. Get a picture of any engraving, photoetch a brass plate, then make an exact copy.

Does anyone know where I can get a 20mm mesh bracelet like that? I have a gen SMP that I want to put one on. I would rather save my money if possible.

Thanks,

I live on the Texas coast and frequently go to countries such as Vietnam and central America. I know what hot and very humid is. If your watch is water tight, a rep is just as good as a gen. I have both rep and gen Rolex and Omega watches. A good rep is just as water tight as the gen. Of course I have had gens flood  will diving. It just depends on how well the individual watch is sealed.

I am a people mechanic and also teach the residents how to fix you up at the university clinics.

You can also build a 2254 from new parts. I just finished building one. I like the sapphire better for daily wear and save my SM300s for special occasions.

That's nice, but it's not what you said.

You said:

"We have approx ~9000 firearm deaths per year on average, the majority of which are perpetrated by Obama voters."

Then I said:

That doesn't sound right at all. Do you have anything to validate that claim?

 

So, do you have anything to validate the claim you made? 

Here are the FBI statistics. Hispanics are counted as white in them.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

Hey I only get six , use a revolver for the house. It always shoots and if a 38 is not enough for burglar I am f**ked anyway.

She nailed him 5 times with a .38 and he still was not out.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/dramatic-911-call-released-in-intruder-shooting/nTrLK/

Trying to use the President's SS Agents, or his daughter's body guards as some sort of measure for civilians is absurd. They are being protected from foreign nationals, enemies of state and both foreign and domestic terrorists who are not interested in their wallet, TV or silverware. 

But the 14th amendment says we all are entitled to equal protection under the law.

There is a length restriction on conceal/carry knives in my state, maybe nation-wide, I don't know. There is a U.S. ban on switchblade or automatic opening knives. Enacted in 1958. I wonder if the 'National Knife Association' wanted to impeach Eisenhower. 

We hope that someone can get to the shooter, as they did in Arizona when Gabby Gifford was attacked. 

According to a 2008 analysis of NYPD firearms discharge data done by the New York Times, between 1996-2006 officers hit their intended target about 34 percent of the time.

Another analysis, published in 2006 by the RAND Center on Quality Policing at the request of Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, found that in the years 1998-2006, the average hit ratio for officers involved in a shooting where the subject does not fire back was 30 percent. During a gunfight, where the target is shooting at officers, the study reported that the hit rate falls to just 18 percent. 

The Times reported that in 2006-2007, Los Angeles police officers hit their targets between 27 and 29 percent of the time, respectively. There is no reliable national data on hit ratio.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...shot-accuracy/

Those statics mean that if you shot at one bad guy with a 10 round magazine, you will hit him 3 times if you shot as well as a police officer when the assailant is not shooting at you. If they are shooting at you, you only hit him 2 times out of 10 if you are equal to a cop.

A recent incident had a lady shoot a robber 5 times in the head and neck with a .38, and he was still functional. He drove away. A 10 round mag is not enough to ensure survival against multiple assailants. Or even one determined one.

So, even if the 2nd amendment were about self defense, 10 round mags are a bad idea. 

The 10 round limit will not hamper a spree killer, they will just wear a tactical vest with a lot of mags or use an illegal one. I bet they don't mind breaking another law.  I can change one out in a second or so with out even lowering my weapon. However, when someone breaks in, I will not have time to gear up. I will have to use what is in my weapon. You can bet I want more than 10 rounds when the lives of my family are riding on my defensive capability. The same thing applies on the street. I am better off drawing a pistol that has enough ammo for the job with out reloading.

I bet Obama's secret service agents have more than 10 rounds in their weapons. Even Bloomberg's 5 full time body guards have more than 10 rounds in their pistols. Heck, even the full time guards in the private school his daughters go to have full size magazines. And those guards are not secret service. They have been there for a long time.

I'd like to see show of hands of people that have been personally saved (real cases not imaginary ones to try to make a point) from harm by having a loaded gun ready (apart from law enforcement and those that live in the wilderness surrounded by dangerous wild life). 

 

I keep hearing that you would be safer with a gun around but I sincerely doubt that's the case. In all my years I can't recall one instance where being armed would have helped me. I have been robbed twice (small stuff) and in both cases it was group against me (never saw a gun though but there was an assumption they could be armed). Even if I was a marksman I would not take a gang of armed thugs, that would just be stupid.

 

One of the things that most concern me in Texas is some jackass with a gun in his car that decides to shoot someone that cuts them off and a bullet finds its way into my car. Having a loaded gun in the glove compartment wouldn't do me any good in that case.

My mom stopped a home invasion with her pistol when I was a kid.

My weapon stopped a carjacking one time and an attemped home invasion after hurricane Ike

I did not have to fire a shot just seeing it made them leave. My mom fired a warning shot over their head.

The Worst K-12 Shootings in History

 

#1- Sandy Hook, US in 2012 - 26 victims (20 children, 6 adults)

#2- Dunblane, Scotland in 1996 - 17 victims (16 children, 1 adult)

#3- Erfurt, Germany in 2002 - 16 victims (2 children, 14 adults)

#4- Winnenden, Germany in 2009 - 15 victims (9 children, 6 adults)

Two in Germany, and one in Scotland, both of which have much more strict gun control laws. In fact, at the time of the Scotland shooting, only .1% of the population owned a gun in that country."

 

 

 

Apparently, making it difficult to access a gun does not prevent mass shootings.

You do not even need a gun to kill a lot of kids. The worst US school killing was in 1927 in Bath Michigan. He killed 38 kids and 6 adults with bombs.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

ohfercryinoutloud!!  for the first and only time in this, I'm getting emotional.  Sorry.  But I get so upset by the assertions that the framers of the past couldn't possibly have envisioned the weapons of today and thus the right to bear arms referred to muskets, muzzleloading rifles, etc.  Nobody could have ever dreamed of these things.

Amen. That would be like saying they internet, TV, radio, and automated publishing of papers and magizines is not protected under free speech. After all, the framers of the constitution could not have imagined those medias.

In all 50 states If you own a car that has to be registered with the DoT. If your car is used in a felony the law comes after you. Owning a car like owning a gun is not a lifestyle. 

 

In many states guns have to be registered like it's common sense. Equating the registry of a weapon that can be used for all kinds of felonies to STDs is the type of reductio ad absurdum arguments that make discussions around sensible gun control measures pointless. 

 

PS: many states have disclosure laws for things like HIV since an infected person can cause lethal harm to others. 

 And that protects you from crime how? They can trace ownership through form 4473 as it is.

Ken...I see that the president deserves to be protected for obvious reasons. But don't law abiding American citizens deserve the same protection? For home Invasions and the like?

 

What do I see Is a [censored] load of hypocrisy. Many anti gun lobbyist have guns to protect themselves. But that's because there afraid of the gun nuts

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Mike

In fact the 14th amendment says we are entitled to egual protection under the law.

Obama just signed a bill to give presidents and ther wives secret service protection for life.

 Blanket statements like that are just like knee-jerk reactions giving us knee-jerk results. We need intelligent results.

That is what the media and politicians are counting on. 

Here are the facts.

Violent crime in the United States fell for the fifth consecutive year in 2011 with murder, rape and robbery all going down, although crime remains a serious problem in many urban areas, the FBI said on Monday.

The report of all crimes reported to police nationwide showed slightly more than 1.2 million violent incidents nationwide, while property crimes hit a nine-year low.

Compared with 2010, the new figures show violent crime down 3.8 percent overall. Property crime was down 0.5 percent.

Among violent incidents reported to police, murders were down about 0.7 percent, robberies dropped 4 percent, aggravated assaults declined 3.9 percent, and forcible rapes were down 2.5 percent

Despite the positive trend, crime remains a serious problem in many urban pockets riddled with gangs, drugs, and poverty.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime/index.html

With record gun sales, our crime rate is the lowest since 1964

We must address the people side of the equation. Why do they do it and how can it be prevented?

I think speed of fire would probably be the best way of describing an assault weapon.  

 

Guns like the AR 15 are not precision rifles used by hunters, they are too bulky for home defence, they are designed for firing multiple shots in a fast and fairly indiscriminate way.  Thus they are great weapons for armies or school shooters, they are not really great weapons for most of the purposes their owners or sellers claim they are being bought/sold for.

 

From a recent Slate magazine article on the topic  http://slate.me/SrhPaE

 

Look down the list [of massacres] and you’ll see gun after gun after gun. But not all guns are equal. I’ve gone through the 25 worst massacres on the chart, and nearly every shooter had a semi-automatic weapon. The one exception was a guy who had speedloaders and a bandolier so he could keep firing. High-capacity magazines are another common factor. All these patterns converge on a common lesson: Speed kills. Madness pulls the trigger, but the rate of fire drives the body count.

AR15s have a place for home defense. They are nice to have after a hurricane. The Koreans loved theirs during the LA riots.

The worst school killing in US history was from bombs. A gallon of gas killed 87 people in the Happy Land dance hall. Or was it the nut killed 87 with a gallon of gas? Mcvay used a car bomb. The 911 nuts used planes. People will find away.

He has since backed out on that. See his latest presser.

 

He would confiscate them all if he thought he could. His ultimate goal has not changed. Just the timing of it.

The true read herring in this whole argument is that the NRA, the gun lobby and it's sympathists consistantly hammer on the point of the government coming in and taking our weapons. There has never been any talk from anyone about the confiscation of existing weapons.

Really? 

"Cuomo ignited a backlash from gun owners in a radio interview last month when he talked about tightening the state’s assault-rifle ban and even suggested, “Confiscation could be an option.”'

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/stop_the_madness_8uEfHQr6X8Az5hYqwNa5yH

Wrong you are.

In the wake of tragedies we tend to react out of emotion. When dealing with policy-making, however, we all benefit if logic enters the discussion. It is difficult to imagine a more heart-wrenching event than the Newtown, Conn. shootings. The inevitable calls for more gun control legislation reflect an understandable desire to do something after 26 defenseless and innocent people are slaughtered.

The more important question, however, is what can we do that will make a difference? That, I suggest, is the best way to honor those who lost their lives. Making us feel better should not be the measure. We should try to make a difference.

That is exactly what those who advocate stricter gun control laws suggest will happen if we follow their advice. Whether it is re-enacting the assault weapons ban, limiting the capacity of magazines, closing the “gun-show loophole,” or requiring background checks for all private firearms sales, gun control advocates state with conviction that these measures will reduce future shootings. For the most part, they are wrong

Virtually all academic studies of the expired assault weapons ban, even those conducted by researchers who generally favor gun control, found the effect to be almost negligible. Given that the ban was based as much on appearance as functionality, and all existing guns were grandfathered, it would be illogical to think it would have been effective.

There are between 2 million and 3 million AR-15-type firearms in the United States today. Prohibiting the manufacture of more will make it only marginally impact the ability of a criminal or mentally ill individual to obtain one. This is to say nothing of the weapon-substitution effect — many other firearms will do the same thing as an “assault rifle,” but they appear less menacing, so they won’t be banned.

Likewise, limiting magazine capacity is largely an exercise in futility. A reasonably experienced shooter can change a clip in a couple of seconds. In other words, three 10-round clips are nearly as effective as a single 30-round clip. To be fair, there is some evidence that limiting capacity might reduce the death toll somewhat in mass shootings.

Individuals who are intent on committing mass murder won’t be deterred by any of the above measures. Seung Hui Cho used two legally purchased handguns, which he accumulated over months, to kill 32 and wound 17 people at Virginia Tech. Timothy McVeigh used only fertilizer and racing fuel to kill 168, including 19 children, and injure 450 others at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

So, is there nothing we can do? Clearly, we cannot eliminate all threats, and those who desire to kill will find a way to do so. That said, there are some areas on which everyone can agree: Everyone wants to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and those who are mentally ill.

In the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, Congress amended the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to provide incentives to states to report to prevent mentally unstable people from purchasing firearms. According to a Homeland Security report, 30 states did not make any non-criminal records available to NICS, as of May 1, 2012. Concerns range from privacy issues to cost to technological and bureaucratic barriers. To borrow a phrase from President Obama, “Is this the best we can do?”

Fixing this problem would not draw the ire of gun owners or gun rights’ groups. It would not require any additional Congressional action, unless it was necessary to alleviate legal privacy issues. The cost would not be that great.

There is a strong consensus that guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable is the problem. Making access to guns more difficult for the vast majority of gun owners who are law-abiding, responsible citizens, parents, and grandparents does not make any of us any safer. Once we have strengthened the NICS checks, then it may make sense to discuss expanding those checks.

Finally, it may be worthwhile to consider the school safety recommendations originating with the National Rifle Association. Promising to assemble a group of security experts overseen by former U.S. Attorney, Congressman, Homeland Security and DEA official, Asa Hutchinson, and to go beyond a recommendation of armed personnel at schools, that group could offer concrete suggestions to improve school security.

Focusing on firearms alone does not address the underlying issue regarding why a person believes that killing many others is the solution to their “problem.” We must examine this societal problem and search for solutions that would do more than just make ourselves feel better in the wake of tragedy."

Harry Wilson, Ph.D. is the author of "Guns, Gun Control and Elections." He is the director of Roanoke College’s Institute for Policy and Opinion Research, where he also serves as professor of political science.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...#ixzz2HQMTMNyT
 

What sort of event are you expecting to occur at your house that might require an assault rifle? I am glad I live in a safer area.

Something like the LA riots comes to mind when the Koreans had to use assault rifles to protect their business and lifes.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TsFXJA9YHlE/TTeIfFOIuVI/AAAAAAAAAQI/VqNzxdhlp5s/s1600/58852252.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/29/opinion/la-oe-chang-riots-koreatown-los-angeles-20120429

Or hurricane Rita or Ike down here.

This lady shot the bad guy 5 times in the head and neck and he was not out. What would have happened if there had been 2 or 3 bad guys?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/06/georgia-mom-home-alone-with-kids-shoots-ex-con-intruder/%20?test=latestnews

Well said.  Unfortunately, the very day the shooting occurred in Sandy Hook, a man with a knife stabbed 22 children and an adult at their primary school in Nanchang China.

That was not an isolated inccidence. Why are they attacking little kids?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%932012)