I enjoy a good debate once and a while, but this exchange has gone on for quite a while, and it strains against both of your characters. You two seem to be civilized, grown men with many opinions and values, but it is high time that you make truce and allow yourselves to see that you will be hard-pressed to ever agree. You guys will continue to argue until this thread is twenty pages deep. Both of your arguments are quite valid, but you will not come to an agreement due to your strong, contrasting personalities. Instead of volleying each other with half-hidden insults and prods, be men and understand that both of you are correct in your own ways.
Let it be done! It's the holidays!