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Mmmm... Too STAR TREK for me I'm afraid. The JLC on the left is one of those I have already noticed in the past

@Mademoiselle V : well, it seems I'm the only one to notice it at work People react more on my dressy watches (VC or Patek) @St

Different style for me today. I'm not used to subs, but well, it looks not so bad

My sincere condolences.

:lol:

25K ?? Hope they'll have a lite version...

Interesting thread. May I ask an additionnal question ? What is the difference between rep PVD and "genuine" PVD ? I suppose there's a good reason that you have your B&R completely recoated. Thx

I'd be interested in the quality of the bracelet on this version.

It seems Sillix would be able to supply those. I asked him. Should cost less than 50. But the problem is that he's often long at delivering spare parts. Better than nothing at all. Oh, and TT also delivers the case+bracelet... for 120 dollars Impossible to get the bracelet alone according to him.

Mmm... I think MB is better at dressy things.

Very nice... A challenge for rep manufacturers ?

I'd be interested in knowing the true price of what I actually might have bought...

So that one is a kind of 3700 that has been custom ordered ?

I confirm !

Thx all St

Yes. I'd be curious to know if the Asian movement is yellow too. Could be this one...except that I'm a bit curious about the beatrate. How much for King's Asian version ?

280 shipped EMS... Which was supposed to be a bargain

Excellent idea Stephane..! I'm sure we'll find an easy way. Well, I hope you'll like your MBK...but I'm indeed wondering about this style fitting with your expectations... As it's the same "family" as the AP or the VCO...

Well, there are honorable 39 mm reps around. Perfect for slim wrists like yours...and mine.

Hi Folks, it's now been about 10 days I have been wearing my latest toy : a rep of the Philippe PATEK Nautilus. That one has one particularity, it is an "official" replica of an other replica : the now well known MBK replicas (also known as MBW), which come from Thailand, country of one of our well-known collector . A funny concept, especially when you consider that we have been discussing about "genuine MBKs" these days So... I would first like to explain why I chose the Nautilus : of course, the various excellent reviews and pictures done by this member's forum are the main reason ! The design also : for me this watch belongs to the same family as the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, and the Vacheron Constantin Overseas to some extent. Classy, dressy watches, which still have a human size and that anyone, including small wrists (like mine) can wear. But what definitely made me fall in love with the Nautilus was its fading blue dial : I am not the one saying "buy this" or "buy that", but I would strongly advise that those pulling the trigger go to the blue one. It's just...sexy ! I'll start with a few shots. Family shot And the wristshot The Dealer As for all my latest purchases since 2 monthes, I bought this watch from Mark on iOffer. I have been satisfied with his reactivity, responsiveness, true communication and help in hunting models I have been requesting, even if these were not listed. Also he always has some symbolic (or less symbolic ) gesture with a discount when requested. And how surprised I was when, after some negociation, I got it offered for 280 dollars shipped, against 348 from our other dealers. Ordered on sunday, it arrived on friday. I know that's not always an issue for true collectors (those who buy, not those who sell ), but I'm always glad to get my toy quickly when I pulled the trigger. I know, that's childish... How is is as a watch ? That's where all owners of the MBK version are probaly waiting me. Well, I think some of you already followed my topic about the movement : although it beats at 28.8 kpbph, looks and feels like a Swiss ETA, there's one point which lets me perplex and doubting about what is exactly beating in this watch : the movement will wind in only one direction on my watchwinder (understand "the rotor winds the movement in only one direction"), whereas we all know that a Swiss ETA winds in both. I still have not found a satisfying answer because : - I'm not sure it' one of the already known Asian movements, as I don't know any of this type beating 28.8 kbph. Also, from the few I could see of the movement, it looks like an ETA. - maybe it's just a defective genuine Swiss ETA, but as it keeps great time and behaves without noticeable flaw when setting the date/time, it's difficult to say. The power reserve is long too. - also, I'm not sure it's one of these Asian ETA real clones or the Swiss Sellita SW-200, as according to the members owning these, they also wind in both directions. Worst of the worst, this movement cannot be extracted of the case, as the caseback is not removable : it seems that the only way to check it "de visu" is to remove the hands and the dial and then find a way to access the stem release button. As PZ mentionned it : the Nautilus is the perfect model to organize a scam, as most won't notice that the movement is not an ETA. A true (unpleasant) enigma. I'm pretty sure that's not a scam of my dealer : I have had too many good experiences with him to suddendly discover he would not be trustable. For the time being, I can only see the trouble/scam? coming from the manufacturer. But let's pass on this, I'll bring you a final answer the day this problem is definitely solved. The core of this review would consist in comparing this watch to the MBK version, for which I only read praises about the way it is (well) finished. My problem is that I have never touched nor seen the MBK, so I can't really make an objective comparison. What I can notice are the flaws/qualities I see on my actual modell. The look & feel are very good. The bracelet is particularly comfortable and the double deployant clasp is something I really enjoy in wearing a watch. The dial is close to perfect (I can't say perfect, as nothing's perfect in the rep wolrd ). The fading blue is something you have to see "live", with your eyes. The pictures don't do it justice at all (sorry for that). The crystal is obviously sapphire, it has no AR coating, but it seems the gen (originally designed in the late 70s) doesn't have AR as well. And frankly, I don't think it's necessary here. As you know, this is the Jumbo modell, which has a "modern" size of 42 mm. In this range of watches, the problem for bigger wrists is often that the dial is too small (36 mm for the AP Royal Oak for instance). Here it's a really good balance. The 42 mm are from "ear" to "ear". That means that the watch looks actually a bit smaller than the VC Overseas, for those who know it. But... and there are many things which make me think and say that the Chinese rep of the Nautilus has missed its goal. - I won't come back on that topic, but the movement origin is the first serious issue - the bracelet is difficult to adjust (not the same nightmare as the Overseas however), as the screws are of very poor quality. They are way to soft, and therefore difficult to avoid bending/breaking some of them. I feel that's a real shame for a watch of this price - I'm maybe a bit "anal" on that, but you'll see on the deployant that the inside of the clasp is not polished. Looks bad indeed. The answer of the manufacturer was that their machine does not enable this (I'll pass you the rest of their comments ) I can't believe this. My VC Overseas which costs less has a much better (and polished) deployant. And if they can't polish it, I think they could at least plate it ! Besides, but this surely only affects my watch, the inside of the security cap has been very roughly adjusted : you can see a difference in the matter itself. Just looks like they used a (nail!) file at the last minute. That's lame too. I know these things happen (I can fix it easily), but I expected a bit more for the price. Now a small look into details to illustrate the flaws. I'll let you judge if this is "normal". And how is it as a rep ? From this point of view, I personnally think it's very good. There have been discussions about dots or no dots on the dial, squares or not, seconds hands or not. Well, I have seen this exact model in several places on internet, and I am sure that the dial, the hands, and the design itself are very very close to the original. I believe that the differences noticed, as for the AP Royal Oak, come from the different variations in models over the years. The closest model is probably the Patek 5711, at least for the dial. But the thing which is more annoying in my opinion, is that I still have not found if the watch should have a display or closed caseback. In our case, a closed case back is of course preferable, as the ETA movement would be an immediate tell. I must say that it would have helped me deciding if I have an ETA or not... My conclusion There's no doubt the Nautilus is a really gorgeous watch. Those loving the VC Overseas or the AP Royal Oak will surely agree. Of course, tastes are nothing but subjective, and I could understand some won't like the design, especially the "ears"... Is it worth investing ? For 348 dollars shipped, my answer is NO. For 280... also NO ! I think this rep would be worth 200 dollars max, which is what I paid for my AP, and that brings me actually more satisfaction as far as the "return on investment" is concerned. Of course, once you have it, you'll enjoy wearing it. It's still a damn nice thing on the wrist. That's why I'll keep it. Again, despite the fact I haven't seen one, I strongly advise those who love the Nautilus and don't want to take too much risk, to invest in the MBK modell which is something like 200-240 GBP. This may sound overpriced (I would not do the step for "political" reasons). But the "Chinese MBK" is way overpriced too... For different reasons. Thailand 2 points, China 1 point... Let's finish on the bright side. Two other shots... and the links to the reviews/main posts on the MBK Nautilus, where you'll learn a lot about the gen as well Emuozz' review Eunomian's pictorial VK's pictorial Ubi's review BTW, this is my 1000th post...

Just found the lumeshot Better this way than half lumed like mine : I have lumed digits and paint on the hands. Here's a small shot of the Gasgasbones work. The strap I bought was more like Latex/Silicone : very, very smooth. I did not like it really. See, different people, different tastes. Actually your rep is very close to the gen, at least it's the best version I've seen. They finally stopped reproducing these dummy screws on the caseback !! PVD is definitely the way to go for a B&R in my opinion.

I guess you have to buy a second watch to read the time... It looks like an ashtray

Thx for your great review ! I like the B&R design a lot too, although it is a really chunky watch. Even the 42 is big for my wrist. As we all know, square watches wear bigger on the wrist. See, I was sure that the rubber strap was the perfect match with that watch. I even bought one for my 39mm model. And I hated it because it was...too soft If you want a velcro strap made to measure and with blue stitching for example, Gasgasbones is offering this service on RWI. He has many nice variations. I have a 6.5 inches wrist, and could get something where I don't look ridiculous. And he can include your own buckle if you want. You forgot to tell us about the lume ? Wear it well !

Hi, sorry no. I just passed te link. A quartz, even at 50 dollars will beave better than most mechanical watches. The question would be more on how the finish and the feel are.