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  2. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    If you have an ETA style movement you will need new hands to fit to the 3804 movement

     

    Thanks for the response.

     

    HANDS

     

    From the searches so far, i keep hearing that Rafflestime may be able to supply the appropriate hands.  However, i do not see it on their website nor do i see a contact email there for Ken(?).  Does anyone have Rafflestime's email?

     

    DIAL

     

    Do i change this?

     

    In the write-up regarding the Cartel 1675 build, JJ states that following:-

     

    The case is engraved 1675 which is a plus. Although the only movement option is a more exepensive ETA, the transformation is so far cheaper as with the Explorer : no need of a bezel assembly, the stock dial is pretty good, interesting for aging and relume.

     

    Now i'm wondering if he considers it as good enough to be convincing, or is there a big difference between this and a gen dial or one from Yuki or Rafflestime?

     

    Now i know most of you will think: why don't this noobass ask JJ himself?  The problem is (and this is not knocking the great guy) he can be a little slow in responding.  So i was hoping that those of you with the experience of a 1675 build (using the DG3804B movement) will be able to advise and guide me on this aspect of the build...

  3. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    On the gen and if you swap for the DG3804 the GMT hand is not independent, also the gen does not have a hacking feature. you could ask jj to remove this if you wanted as it's an easy mod and will not affect the running of the movement.

    Thanks, i was curious about the manner in which the 2836 movement functioned and why it is so hard to distinguish between the time and GMT movement adjustments...

     

    I intend to get the DG3804B and get JJ to swop out the 2836 movement so i'm not too concerned about the manner in which the GMT hand adjusts manually.  However, i am still in the dark as to whether the cartel dial and hands will work with it and whether i should make it more gen-like by getting new hands/dial.

  4. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    I can only talk about the 1675 as I have not owned the other model.

     

    1, Yes the 1675 bezel turns in both directions without a clik, it does not operate the same as say a Submariner Divers Model.

     

    2, Their is no seperate GMT hand adjustment on the 1675 (there shouldn't be) It should operate like a normal watch. After unscrewing the crown the first click when pulled out will be the date adjustment, try rotating the crown in both direction to move the date wheel.

     

    When you pull the crown out to the second click all 3 hands (minute, hour & GMT) should all move together, at 12 oclock midnight they should all be pointing to 12 oclock. The GMT hand does one rotation every 24 hours so at 12oclock midday the GMT hand should be at the 6oclock position.

     

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks for responding!

     

    Yes, am glad i got the worry about the smooth bezel on the 1675 answered.  The 5512 is the same; smooth turning bezel in both directions.

     

    As for the GMT hand, yes, it does seem to be adjustable on my watch,  The hard part is trying to pull the crown out at the right point as it seems so darn close to the time adjustments...  Btw, it is advertised as an independently adjustable GMT hand... http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=8348

  6. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    Posted · Edited by gsiguy

    So i got my cartel 1675 and 5512 in hand (had to get TD to change it at QC stage cos it came with close 6 & 9s for the 1675).

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    i do however have 2 rudimentary questions which i hope can find help in though:-

     

    (1) Are the bezels supposed to rotate with no clicks and little resistance?  I seem to have it that way and it seems odd having been used to modern clicking bezels...

    (2) Is the GMT/Time/Date adjustments usually very difficult on the watch, it seems pretty hard to find the exact point when you pull put the crown.  I keep having difficulty finding either the date or the GMT hand adjustment...

     

    Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated...

  7. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    So... anyone?  I have ordered and am at the QC stage of the 1675 & 5512 purchase.

     

    So, for the 1675 - i think i have a pretty good chance of sourcing a DG3804 movement locally.  What else will i need to pass to Rolexaddict besides the movement and the watch?  Like i said, it's beginning to get a little confusing, what with the varying opinions on which is a "proper" DG 3804 movement, etc. 

     

    Also - Do i need hands? Do i need a new dial?  Crown/tube?  I am afraid that whilst there is mention of sourcing these parts to fit a DG3804 movement on some other threads, i also realise that some of these threads do stretch a bit back and i wonder if it is applicable to the current Cartel 1675...  So i'd really appreciate any guidance on this aspect.

     

    As for the 5512 - will be trying to get a 2846 movement too and i presume this will be a straightforward movement swap?

     

    Once again, thanks in advance for the wise and learned advice that follows! (and sorry if i didn't seem to reaserch properly; in all earnesty i have looked and perhaps i am abit new in the subject but whilst there are leads to my questions, i have difficulty finding definitive answers).

  8. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    Let me just ask if this is correct... If i buy a cartel 1675 and i want it low beat, i will have to:-

     

    (1) Get a DG3804(B?) movement;

    (2) Source a different set of hands (probably from Rafflestime);

    (3) However, i can retain the cartel DWO, stem and crown, and also the cartel dial (if i want?).

     

    I'm probably wrong on point (3) but do let me know cos the info i get is somewhat confusing me from all the 1675 threads i've read so far...

  14. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    "what's a "c/o?" 

     

    Clean and Oil

     

    "...what does it take to drop a 1570 or 1560 movement into a Cartel watch?  How much needs to be changed? Dial? DW? Hands? Crown/tube? The Lot?"

     

    Sometimes it is not easy...

    1...The 1570 is 12.5 ligne size while Eta 28xx is 11.5 ligne size.

    2...The stem has to center in the case tube after the movement and dial are fitted into the case. This is hit or miss on cartel cases.

    3...Eta dials will not work on rolex movements and it is hard to mount a dial with no dial feet on a rolex movement.

    4...Many cartel cases have dial windows that are too big for oem spec rolex dials.

    5...Many cartel cases are not oem spec for crystals, bezels, case tubes etc. 

    6...MBK are not cartel watches (and they are expensive!) but they have very good cases that are close to working with a rolex movement.

    7...Because dealers often change the source for their watches without notice, a cartel case that someone bought that accepts a rolex movement may not still be in stock and you might get an entirely different case.

     

    There are quite a few examples of cartel cases with rolex movements in the rolex section.

     

    http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/156885-franken-case-questions/

     

    http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/164071-vintage-sub-questions/

     

    http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/154835-rolex-152070-into-mbwmbk-case/

     

    LIGNE. A unit used in the measurement of watch movements. It is 1/12 French inch [i.e., a pouce] i.e., 2.256 mm. The size of a watch movement is referred to as “so many lignes,” e.g. 8¾′′′ lady’s size or 18′′′ gentleman’s pocket size, etc. The three small strokes (′′′) are the accepted symbol for ligne.

    Donald de Carle, F.R.H.I.

    Watch and Clock Encyclopedia.

     

    Thank you! Wow! What an education!  Having read all that, i understand now that going gen movement will be going waaaay over my head in terms of effort, luck and finances than i care to invest.  Looks like my best bet is still the 2846 movement (but it is hard to find now...).

     

    But once again, the wealth of knowledge that you have does not cease to amaze!

  17. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    "Anyone reckon the movements (Esslinger) are worth the moolah they are asking?"

     

    If they have been stored for many years, they may need to be cleaned/oiled to give reliable service and there is no way to tell how long they have been stored. I have some nos Eta 2846 from 6 or 7 years ago that came in plastic cups inside plastic bags and if you remove the balance jewels, take them apart and look at them closely, most are dry or have very little oil. The oil on the pallet jewels/escape wheel teeth is also dried up. They all run Ok but probably not for long. 

    You are always better off with a freshly c/o nos movement than a c/o used movement. The problem is with nos 2846 going for around $150 now it is a lot of $$ when you add c/o to the cost.

     

    I am not much of a fan of Asian DG/Nanning 2813 etc because of the flimsy date, winding, and setting works. They are also a pain to work on. They are cheap though and a low cost alternative in projects.

     

    I just now looked at the 2846 movements and they came from a supply house in Los Angeles CA in June 2006...they were already dried out back then.

    They were $49 each. In today's dollars $49.00 equals $56.75.

     

    As for running dry...I have a Swiss made Elgin (A.Schild manual wind) from the 1960's/1970's that I bought in 2001 for $10 and it had never been serviced going by the condition of the screws etc. The 21600 bph movement still ran fine, kept good time, and still had 40+ hour reserve. I took it apart a couple weeks ago for c/o and it was completely dry. There were smudges where oil had been on the balance cap jewels but they were dry too.

     

    Hey, thanks for the info, automatico!

     

    There is a dearth of 2846s right now and i am wary of paying so much for one which may be old and not serviced.  I think i might just buy the high beat cartel ones, run them for awhile, and then see if i like them enough to mod.

     

    Btw, what's a "c/o".  Sorry, just a noob being a noob.

  23. Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

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    Hi Everyone,

     

    I'm trying to find more info on this but have had limited success whilst doing searches.  I'm interested in having Rolexaddict mod a cartel 1675 & 5512 (as per his packages).  However, it does seem that the Cartel watches come with a high beat 2836 movement.  Is this a dead giveaway? If so, I'm wondering what options one has to get it closer to the gen's low beat movements.  Searches reveal a DG movement.  Is this an easy "drop in" movement or are other parts needed?  What other options are there?

  25. My new Chopard GT XL (7750)

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    I get it mate...thank you

     

    I never realised they did that on the 7750 version...they also make the Chinese movement versions...so although its a PIA for you its good for reference...

     

    Yes mate... thats all I would do.... the key as I am sure you know is to ensure surfaces for gluing are free from the old adhesive and dirt etc.. you might need to sand off the crap and rekey the surface for good adhesion

     

    :)

     

    Good luck..... Looks like you are modding already !!   (sort of !) ;)

     

    Haha! yeah, it does seem like i'm "modding" straight away!  Anyway, my version is the A07 version but it's still on the choppy whoppy...

     

    I was pretty surprised that the engraved map was actually on a plate and not engraved directly on the caseback... Kind drags it back from 1:1 to maybe 1:0.9 :g: ?

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