Highflyingclive

its war. people die, innocent or guilty. get over it.

No. I won't.

And neither should you.

.... His killing machine killed thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Iraqi citizens....

Bush's killing machine has killed hundreds of thousands, in less than half the time.

That's progress for you.

Glad to see that you discovered the "no grain" option...

Clive, wearing a Pam 029 with smooth, black, ever-so-slightly glossy, goatskin strap

I thought on the Exp II, the bezel is fixed . . . wouldn't the GMT hand HAVE to be independently adjustable ??

B

Yes, of course... but in a "proper" GMT, the fourth hand says steady while the main hands are moved.

In theory, this enables you to cange the main hands to local time, whilst leaving "home time" where it is.

In reality, few of us spend so much travelling to make this a worthwhile complication....

I travel a bit. China, Japan, Taiwan, etc, perhaps three times a year.

I find a GMT watch really useful. I keep the fourth hand on China time when I am in the UK. When I'm travelling, I ajust the main hands to local time, and the fourth hand to UK time.

OK... its a bit of a fiddle. But it is a 12 hour flight from Heathrow to Hong Kong... 12 very boring hours.

I need somethin to occupy my mind.

Ajusting a real GMT would take a matter of seconds. (Although I would stil have to fiddle around, for a minute or two, changing the fourth hand to home time)

Ajusting my "improper" GMT replica watch wastes four or five minutes....

Sometimes I fill up the flight time by taking two watches with me.

Bhagdad morgue reports 6000 corpses so far this year. Does not comment on how many may be lying in ditches.

Amnesty International reports on secret US "Extrodinary Rendition" torture camps in eastern Europe.

250 UK police mobilised in a dawn raid to arrest two - yes, just two - suspected terrorists. So far, unable to find any evidence against them.

Nevertheless, one of the suspects was shot. "Hey, guys... while we are here we may as well use some of this fancy armament..."

All this, for a tank of gas.

Hang your head in shame.

The world was a lot more secure when Sadam was running Iraq.

[censored]. Iraq was a lot more secure when Sadam was running the place.

Some wonderful things have come out of Leeds

Puggy's Mum...

The M1 to London...

Don't think so Neil on account of the fact that I never intend to visit there. I've even asked a mediator to request my membership be deleted over there.

JTB

Mediator? Booze talks :-)

But I do note that my old friend Willith is listed as a Moderator on both RWG1 and RWG2,

Damn.

Carpel tunnel syndrome.. here I come :-)

Happy timekeeping!

Clive

Some of you guys are just plain nasty.

Its a gift.

Have you ever been to Leeds?

Then you will understand.

He can shove it where the sun don't shine!

JTB

Oh God!

Not Leeds, surely?

I am amazed that Joe had so many customers.

Personally, I would never entrust a watch to anyone who did not have English as their mother tongue. I'd be too worried that communication might be a problem.

Oh. [censored].

That rules out The Zigmeister, too...

I take back all I said.

How about pinning a list of the top 100 "Questions that we are bored shitless by..."

On the other hand, passing on knowlege is not a bad thing.

... and be quick about it!

I have been drooling over pics of the 212 all evening... but, as usual, I'm confused.

The "reg T.M" on the reps looks a little oversized. Not that you would notice on an actual watch. Highly enlarged pics are a double-edged sword...

But - the pic on Paneristi shows a CG without the Reg T.M." engraving:

The Panerai site shows engraved an engraved CG:

So - are both correct? I note that Joshua offers both models, albeit with different movements.

And - talking about new pannies... when are we going to see a replica of this?

Tux dial... rose gold case... and it's a GMT!

Come to daddy...

I was wondering about that, too.

Whatever... the link to the Dark Side doesn't work.

So perhaps we shall never know.

Great link, Jet. Many thanks!

actually, 4-watch winders are readily available for about $50 on the Bay, including shipping.

Fine.

I would need at least a dozen.

So, I will continue to choose the watch that I will wear today... set it... and enjoy it.

Damn sight cheaper that buying a dozen winders :-)

Wow! A GMT Presidential!

I didn't know they made one of those...

Well I think your a bunch of derty, derty old men

Ken

Damn you, Sir.

Old?

I'm merely middle-aged.

Joe?

The Zigmeister advises that you should not wind basic Chnese autos - just give them a gentle shake and strap them on. He said that winding ETAs is OK - but why would you want to?

Power reserve is supposed to be 46 hours, and the few that I've checked ran a couple of hours longer.

Acording to the ETA "Technical communication", (Oiling diagram and parts list) the running time on the 6497-2 and 6498-2 movements is 56 hours.

I haven't tested this ... but I do know that giving it a full wind from cold takes a dog's age. That is one looooong mainspring.

Watcher... have you had time to time the running time? If you did have time to time the running time from time to time what did you time the running time with, this time?

Bump... I suppose we will be around 5 guys so a table will be good...

Do you think Clive we should call and make a reservation?

If you are planning to start early, there should not be a problem.

But, you could call, if you want. They won't ever have had anyone calling to book a table in a pub before... should freak them out completely... especially if you lay the Austrian accent on, good and thick.

"My hovercraft, is full of eels..."

Andrew is in Malaysia.

Has Andrew moved? Last I heard he was in Singapore. Never mind... not HK.

Worlok... there are some dealers who pick, pack and despatch their own stock, and others who gather orders, then transmit them to the factory for shipment ("dropshippers").

Dropshippers tend to have lower prices.

"Pickers & packers" , like Jos Nana, Narikaa and TTK provide better, more personal service.

(Some might argue that TTK's service isn't better... but you can't argue that he can get personal. I jest... I have always enjoyed prompt, courteous service from him)

Next time, if you have specific requests, be sure that you are not doing business with a dropshipper.

I'm sorry that the watch that you received did not live up to your expectations. But the problem does sound minor and can probably be fixed easily, cheaply and quickly. As someone else already said, post some pics... maybe someone here will be able to help you... or at least point you in the right direction.

Happy timekeeping!

Clive