RickFlorida

So wait, does this mean this cartel version has correct size inserts or bezel? I ask because the regular newer Cartel has wrong size insert or bezel so they have to glue instead of tension fit. I thought that was the biggest or only problem with the new cartel sub. ( Besides endlinks which is not a biggie).

Which Torx size fit in the crown tube to install or which Rolex spline? Many of us can't find any facts on what tool fits Athaya 702 tube. I asked and he said some small Torx. I can't understand how difficult this is to find.

I mentioned this before guys. Are the website photos of gen. Cases or does phongs son really make them that good?

I'm confused, if this is fake, then a gen. movements fits perfectly in them? The pictures show a gen. Movement.

Thank you.

Sorry but I agree glue is not acceptable. If you buy a cartel sub, they accept gen. Spec bezels so you can buy new aftermarket bezel assembly so your insert snaps in. The glued insert that came with my cartel sub fell off in only 5 weeks. It's frustrating because cartel has correct case neck diameter but then they didn't care to make the bezel correct, so you spend 120 bucks for whole new bezel assembly which is almost the cost of the watch.

While we are on the subject of date wheels on 2836, if one is building a non date watch, is there any reason to remove date wheel or you can just leave it on behind non date dial?

Agreed, people give me help and extras too.

You first vintage build but you know terms or people I don't. Who or what is a Whoppy for the dial and who is Mary for bracelet? Well, I think Mary is the MBW source? So maybe I know that one. But who or what is Whoppy?

It says removed for me. So does eBay only cancel listings by country? If it's such a good reproduction why not just sell it as a premium reproduction?

? We can never buy replica watch parts direct it seems so I doubt you can buy replica bag or shoe materials. If it was possible then we would all be purchasing only cartel version 2 submariner cases instead of complete watches.

I think you miss something, even when adjusted for inflation, old rolexes were cheaper when new than new Rolex prices today. So Rolex got more exclusive and raised their prices over the years. So it is kind of depressing to look at old catalog prices.

Hello everyone. I have seen posts with good pictures of modding the newer Cartel 5513 cases like thinning the case but has anyone recorded what the approx. dimensions of what an early 5513 case should be in mm? I can see details like beveled edges and visual comparisons to gen. case thanks to Dbane and JackFlash posts, but it would be nice if there may be a drawing or list of the different case dimensions to help guide us. I have a newer Cartel 5513 and want to make it look as close as possible to a real case for a 7928 project using Yuki dial and good after market bezels. New crown etc. So I figured I should address the case appearance. Thanks for any info. I've seen fantastic references to Rolex parts but have not found schematics or drawings of case dimensions.

You missed the point about perhaps using technology. If someone 3d scans a gen. case, and CNC machines are available through online hub where you upload the 3d scan, and as long as we can input what threads and pitch to cut.... Your cost is low. We have or nearly have the tech.

Thanks guys.. I see Sea Gull 2836-2's on Ebay right now. But only a few. Most of the clones are not really stating what brand they are so you have a point.

I have seen people claim there are grade levels of sea gull or H. Eta clones. (Asian). But I have never found a way to order high grade Asian clones. Does sea gull offer different grades of 2836-2 for example that one can buy? I'm in the process of where I have to decide if I should get a genuine eta or an Asian. Thanks for any info.

Why was it valued at 40K? I have never heard of one selling for less than 70K.

Thank you, Rick

I have a newer Cartel 5513 which came with a DG2813. If I want to use a 2836-2 (have Yuki dial and hands for project), does the case use the same brass movement ring? (I understand that the same 5513 can come with an asian 2836-2 or like mine did, a 2813). If I understand correctly, the stem height is almost the same, and since 2836-2 movements are a little thinner than a 2813, there will simply be more room on the back-end of the movement when in the case. So in theory, shouldn't the same brass movement ring work as we would just be screwing down the movement tabs onto the movement ring "lower" into the case? thanks for any advice, Rick

Well I thought the blokes on here are all about fashion and I have never seen a dude under 50 wear pleated pants. I notice weird stuff like that.

Well that explains the pleated pants choice.

So does that mean the photos are of gen. Cases and he can't really make replica cases or he can make them but does not complete orders?

So....like Rolex, Tudor sells every watch they make. I wonder if in the early days when Rolex was cheaper did they also make more quantity than was demanded compared to now?

This is the one thing I dont like about our hobby. Since it's illegal to create 1:1 replicas technically.......there are zero standards and the guys who make any replica stuff make up ridiculous prices. I have a feeling when you see the amazing pictures on vintage watches.com for example.......... You are seeing their own personal stuff and not the stuff they will make or send to you. Why don't we all just contact the factory who makes the new cartel 5513 cases and help them fix the few problems it has and we will never need 800 dollar replica cases? Yes! Why the hell are we not 3d scanning a genuine case and just paying an online hub to CNC the case and mail to your door? 1200 phone case would be a 100 dollar perfect case.

Is that you in the photo? I didn't know young guys wear pleated pants anymore. But Italy is the fashion capital so I could be wrong. I prefer flat fronts for pants.