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FROGMAN

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    No Frogman.. believe me I never took it as you calling me out.... but I'm sure the person who authored the book was not on a forum like the RWG .. this is what i meant about fine line from being understood and misunderstod.. because you cannot hear the inflection in a persons voice and can only read the vibes from the wording ... i believe that's why a lot of communications goes misunderstood on the internet.

    i was just making an"attempt to add" information .. your are right... this is a place where we should be able to trade information .. :bangin: good and bad .. freely.. only in this case personalities were greatly involve... feelings were inevitably hurt and emotions were evident... Horologist are like any select society ..(the olderones anyway) ... they are their own culture in a sense.

    In hindsight I should of added a "thank you for passing that along, I'm sure we will find it useful", I am still in the "i take responsibility mode" so excuse me if I offended you ... :huh:

    One story: I worked in a if you will,...(i was the bar Manager) fine dining restaraunt and the executive chef ... Chef Nick, was one of the best in the business in Hawaii... well, the new owner a Nuero sergeon came in one day and tried to change everything.. nothing he was saying was making any sense ... chef Nick asked him,"what makes you think you know about the Restaraunt business",... to which the doctor relied.."I read a book" ... so the next day chef Nick sees the doctor come in and say's,.."take the day off , I will do your surgery today"... and the doctor looked appauld and said,"what makes you think you can perform sergery"... and chef Nick say's.."because I read a book" ;) ... true story.. :p

    Moral is the book may be very good if and when that particular circumstance arises .. but i guess drastic situations sometimes call for drstic measures... Again Frogman just another opinion I have not nor do I wish you to take it personally.... actually I need to work on my presentation as far as choice of words for the internet ... when I think i am being tactful i need to review my writings...LOL :lol:

    Thank you keep sharing your opinions ... :victory:

    I misunderstood your comment then....for that I am sorry. I really hope you get everything worked out. I do wish you all the luck!

    I appreciate that this issue is resolved, but I just wanted to quickly add something. Having read this quote from taken from a book,

    "Finally, do not run down another horologist's work, even if it leaves something to be desired. If the condition of a movement is in question, treat the matter diplomatically; describe what you can do to improve it, do not give an opinion that somebody else has done a poor job. Be prepared to stand by your own results; that is your reward." Pg 314

    I cannot think of any more potentially harmful advice possible. Sure, it's nice to live in a world where everyone gets on with everyone else 100% of the time, and that no one ever has cause to complain about anything, but to be honest, that kind of "rose-tinted" attitude, frankly, makes me want to puke my gizzards up. I view horologists as artisans. Artists, craftsmen. As such, and, particularly if they are performing a professional service and being paid for their time, then their work, just like that of any other artist will be subject to scrutiny, critique, and either praise or criticism. Without refering to any specific situation, I don't feel saying to someone, if dissatisfied with their work "Your work sucks!" is particularly constructive. However, a comment like "Could you take another look at X detail, please?" would be a more subtle way of going about it between client and professional. I would also apply a similar standard, to someone viewing work presented. For example, someone says "Check out my new X Job, it's freaking awesome!", but upon scrutiny, say the work is actually substandard, informing them of that, though it might initially hurt feelings, might give them the opportunity to ask the artist responsible to take another look at the X Job, particularly the Y Details, which otherwise, they might be blissfully unaware of having received a less than perfect service. Sure, as long as they are happy, that is all that matters, but, if they are unaware that Z detail might constitute a poor job, then they are only happy through ignorance, in which case it is only fair they be told. Indeed, with the spirit of the text, deliberately bad-mouthing another artist's work is bad form, but pointing out a legitimate flaw, by providing constructive criticism, it enables the client to truly get the product they want, and, brings the artist's attention to something that they might not have been personally aware of either, so gives them the opportunity to learn and grow as an artist.

    Again, that's not with relation to any mentioned scenario, just my .2c reaction to the text in the book...

    TeeJay, I think we will have to agree to disagree then. You make some good points in your statement. However, I think you mistook the quote from the book. I agree with telling it like it is...and not sugar coating things. Yes, people might get their feelings hurt at first....but it could help down the line. What I don't agree with and what I think the watchmaker was saying is.....as an "artist" don't down another artist's work in front of another person. Especially, for financial gain. Honestly, in my profession if I see something wrong I would NEVER down another persons work. Okay I'm rambling now....but my point is....how you say and handle things can make all of the difference. Oh well....to each his own. Aside from the comment I posted from this book....it really is worth the read....especially if you are interested in watchmaking.

    Alright, I've got watches to buy and a lot of forum threads to catch up on....take care everyone!

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    If you are reffering to the pics... I take sole responsibility for whatever you are thinking.... before you past judgment on the person who took the pics or the modder in question ... remember it is "my" watch that was involved..

    there is a fine line between understanding and being misunderstood.... if you want to think that the pics were done for self elevation ...that's up to you ... if you want to think that the pics were revealed because for about a week this thread was conjecture , heresay, and no concrete proof that anything that was being said had any validation, that to is an option

    If this thread had lived a short life then this would not have come to fruition.... but it did not and I was ready to take whatever was dished out so no one else would be dragged into this.. because it was my "battle" so to speak... but hind sight is 20/20.. so with that said.. everyone for a long time has been in this issue .. weather we or I knew it or not.

    this would be good diplomacy(quote from the book) and the person who posted the pics has shown this very attribute before things got way out of hand..

    I am just trying to give you all the information you need (not to sway you) so you can hypothesis weather what was done was "necessary" and not done for self appreciation ... that's my half cents..

    Lanikai,

    I wasn't "calling you out" by posting my comments. You have the right to post your opinion and to defend your position. That is the great thing about our forums....open talk about EVERYTHING.

    Also, I'm not asking you or anyone to take responsibility for the pictures....they are posted....what's done is done. I was hoping that my comment would be taken to heart and not turned into anything else other than that. The old watchmaker that wrote the book had a lot of knowledge and was willing to share it with whoever would listen.....I thought I'd pass that along.

    That is all,

    FROGMAN

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    Hey guys,

    I don't post on this forum very much....but I'm really surprised at this thread. We all enjoy the same hobby which I might add isn't exactly legal....and yet we seem to be blasting our Modders and other forum members. I'm all about using the forum to make sure everybody stays honest.....but I think this thread is going overboard.

    I am reading this book called Practical Watch Repairing by Donald de Carle. Last night I flipped to the appendix and saw a section called "A Standard of Workmanship"......funny...because the last point the author makes applies to this thread....I wanted to share it with everyone:

    "Finally, do not run down another horologist's work, even if it leaves something to be desired. If the condition of a movement is in question, treat the matter diplomatically; describe what you can do to improve it, do not give an opinion that somebody else has done a poor job. Be prepared to stand by your own results; that is your reward." Pg 314

    If you haven't had the opportunity to read this book, I would suggest it.

    That is my 2 cents...

    FROGMAN

  17. Houston, we have a problem.....

    in The Rolex Area

    Posted · Edited by FROGMAN

    I had a sub with the same issue...I worked on it for an hour trying to get the bracelet back on.

    I ended up having a smaller diameter spring bar lying around and the bracelet went right on.

    I hope that makes sense.

    Predfan....I'd love to see a picture of the crystal height....maybe a side view????

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