Dani

What the !@($* are MBW dealers in Thailand? This is starting to smell.

starting to smell??It has since first page.

Angus has been pushing the rubber clad Offshor efor weeks and weeks now......I've had access to them for over 2 months....ask Narikaa.....he was with me when they were first put under my nose....I haven't bought any in...because nobody has asked for them...and I don't feel inclined to bring one in on the off chance.....!

Same with dials....there are only a very few dials available from MBK...so I don't know where PT gets his info on available dials...especially dials that are wrongly marked....they're not from the dial supplier that MBK uses...I've seen nothing but consistency with MBK dials...the vintages are not that great.....the AP's are superb.....and there is no ONE factory that produces MBK items......PT says that the factory versions that he first got ALL had 21k movements.....the IMPLICATION is that ONE factory is doing it all for his "MBK".....yet MBK put their own movements into the cases....secure their own dials from different sources......NO single factory does it for them....that's why I don't find PT's claims credible......he also says that the 3 or 4 dials he has are already sold...yet MBK buys the dials to produce hundreds of them at a time...not 3 or 4 dials....!

you now the AP's is in demand and that people whant the rubberclad why have you not put some up for sale?Nobody asked for them maybe that is becasue people dont have the same insights as you to this marked.

It's partly Norway's fault: they refused to let the U.S. use your secret weapon: Lutefisk

All of Iraq would have folded in a week. :cc_surrender:

my only ti watch

The Kyoto Treaty is not worth the paper it's written on.

At least the U.S. had the good sense not to give in to the imbecility of its terms and the moral blackmail of the politically correct.

As usual, we'll do it ourselves, our way, and better.

Yeah like Iraq.

Cheers,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7124236.stm

Great news

Australia's new stance on Kyoto will isolate the US as the only developed nation not to have ratified the treaty.

Cheers,

Dani

@dani.....I know you're a bit odd......but what's funny about my post above...and why did you mark it as funny...?

I just thought after this tread had come to 7pages and here you come whit TeeJay.....can I ask you a few questions...?

was funny since it seems he has answerd all posbel questions by now.

Maybe i em odd sir

great post and pics

The Zigmeister does great work ..

Cheers

TeeJay.....can I ask you a few questions...?

TeeJay@

You are a minority when it comes to have you think about Islam,sad but true.

99% of all the muslims i now was happy when 9/11 happend that says alot..In schools in Norway many where happy after 9/11 it did even reach the news paper that kids where joy full after hearing about it..

I can only say i whish for muslims to be more like you Teejay..

Cheers

Vic.

To ban breeds by reasons that is false or based on lies is something else then let say banning a slaugther metod that we NOW is cruel

My dog is as vicious as a pepsi bottle he can hurt people but then i need to pick him up and throw him on you

TeeJay i dont need to be so enlighted to the Islam way as i had more or less only muslims friends until i was 12-13 and i still have many i consider friends but they dont cear to much of the religion they eat pig and such

This is true, I am a convert, but, the distinctions which need clarifying because of that are:

1) I am a 'Qur'an-only' Muslim. I do not follow the hadiths from the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, because there is a section of the Holy Qur'an which specifically states:

That is, without question, specifically telling the prophet, peace be upon him, not to guide people (by his own opinions/habits/thoughts) and that is precicely what the hadiths are, his opinions/habits/thoughts. In fairness, in the recordings of the hadiths, the prophet, peace be upon him, did instruct his followers to record nothing from him but the Holy Qur'an, and if they had recorded anything else, to erase it, so he himself was trying to clarify that the only guidance a Muslim needs, is the Holy Qur'an itself.

2) The vast majority of 'raised Muslims' do infact live by the hadiths, and consider them equal in stature to the Holy Qur'an, which was never the intention of the prophet, peace be upon him, but something they have been raised to do by their parents. That is not to say that people who live by the examples and opinions of the prophet, peace be upon him, are wrong, but it is fair to say that strictly speaking, it is not 'true' Islam, because 'true' Islam is submission to the will of Allah, and the instructions from that are nowhere but in the Holy Qur'an.

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Essentially, this is the distinction between following the teachings of Jesus, and not the Catholic Church's version of 'Christianity', which are two rather different things.

3)Being a Muslim is essentially a very personal experiance. It cannot be done 'second hand'. It involves a moment, known as ihsan (realization) of being 'born anew', and every Muslim has to experience this before they can indeed truly submit to the will of Allah.

Any so-called Islamic government that has become tyranical has moved away from the principles of Islam, no matter how self-righteous it may claim to be.

Such reports are easy enough to find. Here's one from the MSN homepage:

Theproblems in the region, as in Iraq, under Saddam's rule, are social and political, not religious. It is a government usurping and perverting Islam for it's own ends, so these 'moderate Muslims' donot speak, under fear of reprisals and punishment from the authorities.

As in my above reply to Victoria, moderate Muslims do (and are) speaking out in this issue. One reason why moderate Muslims are perceived to be silent is because, the press marginalizes their comments, because it allows for demonization of Islam to sell copy, and another, is because Muslims are taught not to involve themselves in the affairs of others, and to be respectfull of other's privacy. This is, sadly, why many of the UK's 'homegrown' terrorists were not discovered by members of their communities or families. It is a different mindset, much like the 'inscrutable orientals'.

Absolutely so.

Islam teaches Muslims to be kind to animals and it is said that the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was also a man who was kind to animals.

As I said in my previous post, and you appear to have totally ignored, the method of slaughter used by the Jews and Muslims (cutting the juggular vein) was the most humane method of slaughter available to them at the time, and, as I mentioned, the Holy Quran forbids eating anything which was killed by a fall, by a blow, by strangulation or by being gored. That is specifically forbidding eating (or killing) an animal killed in an inhumane manner. I would be most interested to see the footage from the kosher slaughter house, because cutting (properly) the juggular vein should result in near instant unconsciousness and death. I would suggest, that the animal in the footage, did not have it's juggular properly severed, which may explain the length of time taken to bleed to death. Also, as I mentioned previously, pigs are slaughtered by being hung from their back trotters, and having a 12 inch blade put in the chest. There is absolutely no humane treatment in that method of execution at all, and, I believe it is also customary now, for animals killed in the halal fashion to be electronically stunned so there is not even the sensation of being cut.

Indeed, it was the children who chose to name the teddy Muhammad, more specifically, one boy chose the name, because it was his own name.

Something which the tabloids have tried to keep quiet, is that the teacher was reported for malicious reasons, not because of actual objections to what happened. And, as I mentioned before with the 'when in Rome' comment, she should have been more mindfull, and possibly better informed, about the codes of conduct in a country operating under sharia law before taking the teaching post. They say ignorance is no defence, but in all honesty, that is her only 'crime' here, certainly not malice or disrespect to Islam. Infact, a newspaper interview with her son, had quotes where she had said that she did not want this to cause a huge upset, and for people to use it as an excuse to vilify Muslims.

As I said in my previous post, and you appear to have totally ignored, the method of slaughter used by the Jews and Muslims (cutting the juggular vein) was the most humane method of slaughter available to them at the time

This is something muslims and some parts of the jewish religion tend to do,staying in the past we have 10times more effectiv slaughter metods this days.

But becasue of what some dude said long time ago muslims and jews will not change for the better and slaughter an animal as it shoud by 2007 standar not 1007..

No pigs in any europen country i now about get slaughter like that,you woud get jail time if you did that in Norway so i doubt any other country slaugher animals like that maybe the Chines do.

The calf vid can be found on peta i think.

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But you see, Dani, this is the mindset in Norway that allows your beloved breed of dog to be banned. Because they are thinking of the welfare of the dog, and its effect on society...

i realy did not understand that one Vic.

In the UK, pigs are slaughtered by being suspended by their back trotters, having a 12 inch blade rammed into their chest, and then bleeding to death. Neither Jews nor Muslims eat pork. Christians do though...

It is my understanding, that in the UK, animals killed in accordance with Islamic practice, are electronically stunned before being killed.

If someone does not like the method an animal is killed by, then they should avoid animal-based products all together. That is not religious issue, but one of personal morals. I am not someone who would tollerate any kind of animal cruelty, but I do accept that food beasts are raised and killed precicely for the purposes of supplying food, and are (or certainly should be) killed in as humane manner as possible. Having one's jugular vein slit, and instantly becoming unconscious and dying, is much less traumatic than being suspended by the back legs and having a 12 inch blade rammed into one's chest and then flopping about while bleeding to death.

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I forgot to say, that the Holy Qur'an specifies, not only which animals are forbidden, but also prohibits eating animals which died in suffering, such as in a fall, or strangled or gored. Back in the time of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, slitting the juggular vein of an animal (and markedly different from simply "cutting it's throat") was the most humane method of dispatching a food beast.

I don't know, what did Ghandi say about it?

Gandi said a society will be judged by the way they treat the animals.I dont agree fully whit Mr.Gandi as i belive we are predators and meat eaters by nature but we shoud go forward not backwards when it comes to humanly slaughter animals.

So to avoid human nature as meat eater is not the way to go,but to expect people to have empati and humanly kill the animals is..

Jews and muslims have a way of slauther animals that is beyond crulety and that is just facts not fiction..

I can only speak about countrys i now but in Norway and Sweden animals get stunned to death is thakes maybe and at worst case senario 10sec to die,by having your throat cut it thakes much longer in a Kosher slaughter house in the US they filmed a calf suffer for over 5min and it even stand up on it legs

I have seen both humans and animals get their throat cut the way halal and kosher is done and its horribel to see even if its only on a pc screen..

But i dont see have my rant here will change this desert religions.

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In both muslims and jews religion their is a law you cant eat meat if the animal has not suffer by having their throat cut and bleed to death just that ONE singel fact about both their religion makes me sick and not whanting to "understand" their religion or co excist whit them.

In Norway we are 1 of 4 countrys in Europe to ban such animal abuse,here in Norway the jews has to order meat from the US and the muslims gets to halal slautger only if the animal is druged to sleep but seems that is not ok for many muslims here.

What did Gandi say about this

Not so fast. The EU is a MAJOR importer of Gulf Oil and is forecasting growth in import rates of up to 29% by 2012. It is the number 2 importer of Oil globally even after accounting its own productin from the UK, Norway, etc.. In otherwords, the oil produced in those countries is not enough to compensate for the need. <H2 class=title>EU oil imports set to grow by 29% by 2012</H2>Posted by Euan Mearns on October 3, 2006 - 9:30am in The Oil Drum: Europe

Topic: Demand/Consumption

Tags: consumption, eu, oil prices, peak oil

An oil production, consumption, import-export model for the 25 EU states (plus Norway, Iceland and Switzerland) is presented, based on data published in the 2006 BP statistical review.

Applying a 0.5% growth in consumption and a 8% production decline rate points to EU oil imports growing from 9.8 million barrels per day (bpd) in 2005 to 12.6 million bpd by 2012 - an increase of 29% over the next 6 years.

The EU will have to "fight" for these additional resources in an oil import market already hot with competition from the USA, China and other developing countries.

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The European Union

The European Union, with a population of around 460 million, consumes over 15 million barrels of oil per day and is the world number two oil consumer after the USA. This article looks at EU oil production and consumption with the aim of establishing future import trends and EU energy security. A recent report has highlighted the fact that EU energy imports are rising and this is happening at a time when Russia is tightening State control over its oil and gas assets.

solution to being part of the oil security problem.

Norway is not a part of EU and man i happy for that.

Cheers,.

There is no help for these people.

they get alot of help from the US Gov and all the gas junkie SUV drivers in the US

I woud reather invite the local rats then this people

i do not expect more from countrys like that,if i was better in English writing i woud rant on..

great work The Zigmeister and a nice read.

Cheers,

Dani

Euno i just had a felling i shoud not read this tread,now i have 300+$ less in my pocket.

Great pics and very nice review of the Slevin

Cheers,

Dani

was about to buy this,but then i just decieded to whait.

i hope to see some review from euno and puggy soon

Wow.. you paid that much.. need negotiating skills bra

maybe its 350$ shipped and then its not that bad.

Do like me if you need a toy buy the Ipod touch and if you need hig tech phone buy the n95 black as phone then you have all the good stuff

i do not think this will ever be out as a super-rep its complicated and seems to me this is a trend this days on most brands.

as an fairly old member of this forums and towards this topic i think VB is doing well in keeping this forum alive(by that i meen activ posting) on all forums their will be diffrent types of people and if you cant handel that then its your problem..if i dislike some peoples posting i tend not to read them its not that hard.

its ok to not agree to what a members is doing but as long as its on the line of forums rules and dont break them its not much you can do but ignore it.

or is it?