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Agreed. And apologies for getting involved. Thanks Ken.

Wonderful thing hindsight. Over and out, roger, wilco.

No I don't have facts and figures, but I do know there was a VDB watch raffled off just before this whole thing blew up. I have no unresolved issues but I'm, to use your phrase, "reading from the outside" as are many others and it appears VDB watches changed hands after the true facts were known to the sellers. If this is not the case, it would be reasonable for them to say so rather than leaving others to speculate. It appears the truth about VDB has been known for a long time. The RG Vintage thing was nothing to do with bruised egos, more to do with a takeover attempt by some people. Fortunately the membership wouldn't stand for it and the mods put a stop to it, subsequently leading to the formation of W-C. I'm sure if you had been there at the time, you'd have taken a different view. VDB were made moderators of the Vintage Forum which they then used as their own private Sales Forum, other modders were belittled and criticised by them and their supporters and it was made clear that the only pictures suitable for the Vintage Forum were those of VDB creations as nothing else was 'true' vintage. Joe expressed this conceit to me just the other day stating that "throwing acid on a dial or leaving underwater for a while or throwing a case and a crystal in a bag with rocks doesnt make it vintage." whereas clearly A1 Sauce and rusty movements do make it vintage...................... Nobody is blaming the buyers of anything other than being naive in the extreme and believing what they were told. Somebody saying something is a gen part doesn't make it so. Nor is anyone downplaying the fact that a huge scam has taken place.

The discussion should be about whatever people want it to be. And it will be. It is also about people who almost destroyed the RG Vintage Section over their blind adherence to VDB, and in doing so upset a lot of people and caused a good deal of bitterness, now getting their just deserts. Childish perhaps, but it's only human to get some pleasure from this. The A1 sauce and the rusty builds, etc, are just as important as the fake parts sold as gen and 1:1 cases which are nowhere near, they are all part of the con and all totally unacceptable. Also just as important is the case of those who, knowing that VDB were not what they were reputed to be, sold on their VDB watches to other members without disclosing the flaws and before making public their concerns. This is not what any of the forums are or should be about.. This of course is not everyone who sold a VDB, and I believe that one or two sold them on at a big loss knowing the quality was not acceptable, and good on them for being honest at their cost..

Yeah I just read that too, but it flies in the face of what respected people have said in the W-C thread. Very sad for the people who bought into the fairy tale.

Awesome watches held together with glue and plastic movement holders, misrepresented movements and parts,1:1 cases which aren't, shoddy work, A1 Steak Sauce? The Emperor's new clothes are shown up for what they are. Overpriced reps sold by scammers. There must be a lot of people waking up today to the 'investment value' of their VDB watches being virtually nil.

Oh but I do think so. Try reading the Robert bashing threads on other forums in the past and the same people keep showing up. One at least was actually banned from another forum for personal attacks on this dealer and has a chip on his shoulder so big it's the whole potato. It's amazing how many fragile egos there are on these forums. Sure Robert is not for everyone, you take him as he is on his terms (for which there are good reasons) or stay away, but the suggestion that other 'rep communities' have less respect for their members is frankly ludicrous, at least Robert hasn't pulled stunts like Eurotimez and WM9............................... Consider - Robert clearly has more satisfied than dissatisfied customers or he'd go out of business. And as Watchmeister says, he's not here to defend himself, so the attacks are even more cowardly and one sided.

Wow! Not another Robert bashing thread? And full of the usual suspects........................

It's a damn sight easier to get the correct tool and a few spare springs from Ofrei............

I wouldn't advise touching it as you have no experience as yet. Leave it to Reg to sort out. There are a number of possible causes from a loose hand to a movement fault.

So you "threw down" and "pulled the trigger". Is that anything similar to "I bought"? Such misuse of the english language makes me want to "throw up" and "pull the trigger" on perpetrators of such abominations. Call me old fashioned............................

This is already on RWG1. RG next................................

Yes 28.5mm would do the trick, the smaller ones leave a gap round the rehaut.

I have a Sea Dweller case in which I've been asked to fit a new dial. However the two SD dials I have are approx 26.51mm diameter and don't fit the case. A Sub dial which fits the case is 29.02mm. I guess these are different rep versions, but which is which as I obviously need to obtain a 29mm dial for this case? Does anyone have any info?