Day Date II 41mm swiss or Asia ETA?

[robusa]

hi guys!

i was on trustwatchguy's site looking at the day date 41mm's he is selling.

Wanted to get your guy's take on Swiss ETA vs Asia ETA.

Is Swiss worth the extra money? Is Asia good enough?

thanks!

[gran]

Excellent question with no perfect answer

Generally I would say that Asian is good enough (provided that the price is noticeable lower and that there are no faux complications)

However if you get a well put together ETA (of the quality used in assembled watches in a swiss watch factory) it is much better

Truth is that you will never know the quality of a movement in a replica until you have had it serviced and checked by an expert like The Zigmeister...sometimes ETAs (them be swiis or Asian made) of inferrior quality are used (inferrrior = substandard jewels, not or incorrectly oiled, poorly assembeled etc..)

Go Asia go

[robusa]

thanks Gran!

Can you explain a bit more about these differences:

Swiss ETA 2836-2 (28,800bph) 25J

**Other Movement Options

1. Asia ETA 2836-2 Automatic, 25J, 28800bph

2. Asia 2813 Automatic, 21J

is Asia ETA way better than Asia 2813 ?

Edited February 4, 2010 by robusa

[concepta]

ETA all the way!

[gran]

thanks Gran!

Can you explain a bit more about these differences:

Swiss ETA 2836-2 (28,800bph) 25J

**Other Movement Options

1. Asia ETA 2836-2 Automatic, 25J, 28800bph

2. Asia 2813 Automatic, 21J

is Asia ETA way better than Asia 2813 ?

Mmmmmmmmmmm...this might be tricky as the difference in quality between two watches may (or may not) be much more than a difference in the movements used

High beat like 28800 means the seconds hand will move smoothly compared to a beat of 21,600...but again in some watches you want that slower beat to best imitate the way the seconds hand move in the genuine watch (like in some ROLEXes and even OMEGAs and some watches with very long power reserve as the faster the beat the more energy used per time unit)

"Better" can be subjective and in the eye of the beholder...some are after what is most reliable...others what has highest accuracy..some are looking for the closest match to the movement and details to the movement in the genuine watch being replicated.....generally one may say that in order of "better is" Swiss ETA >Chinese "ETA"/seagull > other Chinese movements (for the stander less complicated movements). However no rules are without exeptions.....in the end what matters is what is acceptable to you as the buyer

In conclusion: It can hardly be called a rule or the complete truth but the more expensive the movement in a replica the more likely it is that the other parts of the replica watch are better as well. Other members might have their opinion on this worth listening too as well.

[robusa]

ETA all the way!

it sure seems ETA is the way! but now i see an Asia copy 3156 that costs more than both Swiss/Asia ETA on the timeshop.net store.

I'm totally confused! (but having fun while learning about all this )

[gran]

its really not that confusing....it could have nothing to do with quality

and it may it have something to do with a bridge:drinks:..do some comparisons of what the replica and genuine movements.....and the answer may lie there right in front of you...you may figure it out...

[robusa]

its really not that confusing....it could have nothing to do with quality

and it may it have something to do with a bridge:drinks:..do some comparisons of what the replica and genuine movements.....and the answer may lie there right in front of you...you may figure it out...

another Asia movement: Asia 3156 automatic that costs more than both Swiss ETA and Asia ETA.

one of the sellers here has it on their site. What is the advantage to this movement for it to cost more than Swiss/Asia ETA?

thanks again Gran!

[FxrAndy]

What is the advantage to this movement for it to cost more than Swiss/Asia ETA?

thanks again Gran!

Non infact there have been reports of these falling to bits, the extra bit to make the balance cock look like a bridge and the cap on the rotor screw falling off

It does not matter how the movement looks if it is in a solid case

[gran]

Non infact there have been reports of these falling to bits, the extra bit to make the balance [censored] look like a bridge and the cap on the rotor screw falling off

It does not matter how the movement looks if it is in a solid case

Important points indeed

So this comes down to what one consider "better"

Better = more similar

or

Better = quality (QC/reliability/accuracy)

Obviously it should not really matter what the movement looks like if it can do the jobb..especially if it is not visible until you open up the watch...but then agan some are so anal that every little detail should be a similar as possible to the genuine (this being very difficult with a ROLEX and many other brands as they have inhouse production of movements and parts that are very very difficult or simply too expensive to copy convincingly)

[robusa]

thanks guys,

for me..it doesnt matter if its swiss/asia 21j or 25j or ETA..as long as it stays ACCURATE for a long long time...

the exterior fit/finish i would like it to LOOK accurate even close up