Ulich05 Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tre...66966&rid=0 after seeing that, evey rep of that watch looks silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt390 Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 I have this watch from Andrew. White face and Roman numerals and it's spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchwatcher Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Ulich... you are kidding right? For 1/50th price you can have 99% of the watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubFrog Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 That is a Beautiful watch...but, I like my rep. ...for a percentage of the price. It gets the most "wow" compliments these days. President band and riveted bezel, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 after seeing that, evey rep of that watch looks silly. reps of DD & DJ are albeit minor nit-pitting-things aside, very good. Only case when your quote holds true, if the pic shows the watch on a weighting scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulich05 Posted September 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 i havent seen a rep with as high of a polish a gen. the gen is like a mirror. i guess my eye just picks up on it SS vs wg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchwatcher Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 i havent seen a rep with as high of a polish a gen. the gen is like a mirror. i guess my eye just picks up on it SS vs wg Um... Ulich... you need to do your homework a little better... a good rep is rhodium plated... that would be, uh, how can i put this... EXACTLY the same finish as the gen. A WG gen does not actually show any WG... just rhodium... which it is also plated with. True 18K WG is too yellowy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulich05 Posted September 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 (edited) yes i understand that. however like i said every rep (SS) ive seen doesn't have as polished of a case or center links as the gen. therefore, to me its clear which one is which bc of that regardless of the plating. I do gold plating and used to run a full time business around it have dealt with various finishes. Silver/chrome/rhodium/gold/black paint w/ a clear coat etc can all be polished to a mirror finish. our reps most likely wont be as highly polished as the gen bc it doesn't make much sense for someone to spend the labor to do so on a rep. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything. I simply posted to make an observation based on my past experiences working with metals and plating. subfrog: i like your daydate too, no question on why it gets the most wows! Edited September 27, 2006 by Ulich05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchwatcher Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 you may want to reconsider the dealer you are working with. i've put my WG DD side by side with gen YG DDs (admittedly not WG dd's) and had offers to trade... not from people you would normally consider to be uninformed. i suspect that given your background you see something in the finish that the average person does not... but i'm still biased toward what still appears to be a vastly better value proposition... and, yep, i have owned both the gen and rep in WG... loved the gen, but realized it was a total waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulich05 Posted October 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 (edited) not to beat a dead horse, however this thread: http://www.replicacollector.com/members/in...ic=8505&hl= goes in detail on the differences of the metals used in replicas and why they don't (and won't) look the same as the gens regardless of how/what they are plated with. It is explained very well by an engineer (mhinagoya). i am not an engineer therefore i cant describe why i see what i see in rep vs gen. however, bc of working with various metals and plating, i can see the differences. this is a worth while read. Edited October 1, 2006 by Ulich05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 reps are not as shiny as gen rolexes, because gen rolexes are made off 904L stainless steel which has a higher nikel content and is therefore more shiny!° Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchwatcher Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 not to beat a dead horse, however this thread: http://www.replicacollector.com/members/in...ic=8505&hl= goes in detail on the differences of the metals used in replicas and why they don't (and won't) look the same as the gens regardless of how/what they are plated with. It is explained very well by an engineer (mhinagoya). i am not an engineer therefore i cant describe why i see what i see in rep vs gen. however, bc of working with various metals and plating, i can see the differences. this is a worth while read. Ulich, in the link you posted the discussion is about the differences in the physical properties and appearance of 440 stainless vs. 316L. There are a number of additional differences that the 'engineer' neglected to mention. BUT, that is NOT what you started talking about... the issue here is NOT whether 440 is superior to 316L... it is how a White GOLD DD rep compares with a solid WG gen. As I mentioned before, if you have a good WG rep, it has been plated with Rhodium... and in terms of exterior appearance, it looks the same as an 18K WG gen... both are plated with Rhodium. If you put two gold DDs side by side... there are some minor differences, mostly having to do with alignment of the DD windows, but the gold... or more correctly, rhodium exterior, is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY0811 Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 A WG plated DD from Eddie Lee looks the same bro.....check your dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Um... Ulich... you need to do your homework a little better... a good rep is rhodium plated... that would be, uh, how can i put this... EXACTLY the same finish as the gen. A WG gen does not actually show any WG... just rhodium... which it is also plated with. True 18K WG is too yellowy. I used to think the same thing, but that's not always the case (it is w/ the watch in the OP, though). So far, the only brands I've been able to find out definitvely about are: FM: No Rolex: Yes AP: No VC: Yes In any event, aside from weight and general fit and finish which would allow any WIS to spot a WG DD rep as a rep, the highest end DD reps are great. 99.9% of the people will assume they're real as long as you can pull off wearing an 20k watch. If not, rep or gen doesn't matter..Everyone will assume it's fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchwatcher Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Arch... there are lower quality reps which are labelled WG, but are actually just polished SS. These are just a non-starter in my book... the problem being that SS oxidizes rather quickly, especially 316L, and consequently is quite gray in comparison to rhodium. However I will standby my statement that a good WG DD from a reputable dealer has the same white hot appearance of a solid WG Gen. I haven't compared other makes and models, so i'll take your word for it on those... especially the FMs, which I suspect you have more experience than anyone else on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulich05 Posted October 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 (edited) Ulich, in the link you posted the discussion is about the differences in the physical properties and appearance of 440 stainless vs. 316L. There are a number of additional differences that the 'engineer' neglected to mention. BUT, that is NOT what you started talking about... the issue here is NOT whether 440 is superior to 316L... it is how a White GOLD DD rep compares with a solid WG gen. As I mentioned before, if you have a good WG rep, it has been plated with Rhodium... and in terms of exterior appearance, it looks the same as an 18K WG gen... both are plated with Rhodium. If you put two gold DDs side by side... there are some minor differences, mostly having to do with alignment of the DD windows, but the gold... or more correctly, rhodium exterior, is the same. it is very relivant bc the base metal has a lot to do with the appearence of the metal that has been plated on top of it. this is especially true because the thickness of any plating on reps is minimal at best. what i think your are missing is that just bc 2 objects are plated with the same material doesnt mean they will look the same so someone who can spot the difference (dealers/engineers/metals workers etc) due to the differences in the base material, temperatures and checmicals involved in the process. the only real way around this is to plate the crap out of the case/band but then you are left with an object that wont look as refined. im taking a guess that most reps have up to aprox 5mils thick of whatever the last layer is. Keep in mind that 5mils is not very thick at all and is still translucent. therefore a 316LSS (10-14% nickel) plated object w/ rhodium @ 5 mils will apear darker than a 420SS bc the 420 will be brighter due to its lack of nickel content and its harder. as far as dealers go, im sure different dealers have different sources who plate differently by using more or less rhodium. and the end of the day, reps are still reps. reps are not as shiny as gen rolexes, because gen rolexes are made off 904L stainless steel which has a higher nikel content and is therefore more shiny! rolex uses 440 (so do surgens) which contains no nickel and is easily machineable. 904L is not easily machined and is aprox 23-28% nickel. not good for jewerly bc many people are actually alergic to nickel. it causes skin rashes. not good for surgens all the stainless steel info is from http://www.azom.com/materials.asp rolex using 440 grade SS is from google Edited October 3, 2006 by Ulich05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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