PeteM Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 i luv it! guys that did the gen dial and hands swap on the EL 127, can u tell me the diff between the 2? Between the EL and Gen or the 127 and the 217? If the former the variations vary as EL 127 dials vary on versions Things like position of the 1950 The thickness of the font The finish and texture of the base paint The colour of the dial writing Position of LSML The shape of the cutouts most notably the shape of the 6 on the 127 Lume If the latter Then one is a destro Marina Militare dial the other a Luminor Panerai though both have the above flaws barring the 1950 and the 217 EL is flawed at cutout of 9 and 6 The cututs have never been perfected on either dial and are really the easiest tell with all reps...<br><br><br>Hopefully A's project will produce some spot on Fiddy dials<br><br><br><br> <img class="bbc_emoticon" alt="" src="http://www.rwgforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsupsmileyanim.gif"><br> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 i have a v4 case, crystal, bezel, dial, and v5 crown and cg, i superlumed the dial and hands master said it was very good im about to send money to buy the gen dial and hands and im asking myself will it really be worth it,lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 i have a v4 case, crystal, bezel, dial, and v5 crown and cg, i superlumed the dial and hands master said it was very good im about to send money to buy the gen dial and hands and im asking myself will it really be worth it,lol To be honest ...you really need the crystal if you can find one and of course the CG...Its night and day difference with any rep part modded or not....as C said the gen bezel also makes a difference.. But you can add as you go ...remember any rep dial 217 or 127 is easily seen for being a rep ... just need to look at the numbers..again night and day The other big key is the finish of the case.... So yes well worth it as long as you plan to keep going, it doesnt stop with the dial or it will be lost on the watch as a whole.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 ya im planning on the crystal from Crown as well, when we gets enough ppl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 ya im planning on the crystal from Crown as well, when we gets enough ppl Hopefully it will be up to gen standard... as you say if it gets going... I have had a few gen 127 crystals and gen 217 crystals and they vary between models and production, I am not sure which one Bart has for copying The 44 domes have already fallen through unfortunately... surprising given how many signed up to PFs endeavours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 ya, it sucks barts a good guy and is doing something thats never been done, i have seen a few gen 127 in pics and 1 in person and they do vary , so the thing is to be called on the crystal is hard, unless the ar is blue,lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 ya, it sucks barts a good guy and is doing something thats never been done, i have seen a few gen 127 in pics and 1 in person and they do vary , so the thing is to be called on the crystal is hard, unless the ar is blue,lol Yes he does work hard Wouldnt agree with that comment though mate, the one thing no rep crystal has managed to do is get the correct shape across the top of the crystal or the crystal in a crystal effect as it falls to bezel..as soon as you wave your wrist around and another catches a glimpse of that shape it can be spotted ...there are other tells but no so easy to spot unless you hold it in your hand or you know what to look for... But that rep shape on top is remarked upon even in gen forums as an easy tell... and they dont usually get it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 but if there are many diff variations in crystals from 127 to 127 and from 217 to 217... how would that be possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 but if there are many diff variations in crystals from 127 to 127 and from 217 to 217... how would that be possible? Many implies alot, there are several but the main variations were thickness, distortion and AR the shape remained the same especially on the top and if you recall barts explanation of the crystal construction that principle remained the same and thats what gives that certain look at the point where the crystal falls away to the bezel.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 gotcha! nice explanation :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
air Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Love it.. superb jobs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 I always wondered whether the 217 was like the 127 - three different dials. On the dials I tried two of the three before settling on the oldest variant. On the crystals I really only came upon two different variations over the years having seen 3 or 4 and simply assumed that one was for the 127 and the other for the 217. They are a couple of years apart. And all service crystals I have ever seen were what I thought was the 217 variant. But I never carefully analyzed them other than to slap them onto a dial to check the distortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 heres the thing , if a gen owner breaks his crystal and gets it replaced can he really complain and say that it doesnt look like the one he had ,lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 I always wondered whether the 217 was like the 127 - three different dials. On the dials I tried two of the three before settling on the oldest variant. On the crystals I really only came upon two different variations over the years having seen 3 or 4 and simply assumed that one was for the 127 and the other for the 217. They are a couple of years apart. And all service crystals I have ever seen were what I thought was the 217 variant. But I never carefully analyzed them other than to slap them onto a dial to check the distortion. Apparently the first batch of 127s released were met with criticism about the distortion as well as other criticisms so OP changed that for the next batch in doing so the AR was slightly less but still purply blue, then the batch after that had a slightly different thickness at the edges as their were still comments. I think what happened was OP tried a few different techniques to reduce it but they did maintain the shape on top. There then followed the OPCS versions, ie the replacements that were made once the original and last batch run out, apparently though you can still be given the very first ones if you send it in..! When the 217 came out OP took note of the 127 issues and basically and as I understand there were 2 runs plus the replacement stock run each had minor variations mainly in AR & Thickness. The easiest way to tell a gen 127 to gen 217 is at the base edge, the 127 even the later version crystal is thicker than the 217 and a slightly different finish. The finish created by the grinding rubbing process. Also the 217 had a clear/Grey AR whereas the 127 always had a purply blue but to varying strengths not sure about the replacements though... The crystals I have had certainly support this but its only from research and getting second hand info from ex OP employees, Risti etc that i say this so I wouldnt say that is written in stone....Just what I have picked up and seen for myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) so a cheaper alternative and more gen looking would be the mineral crystal? Edited March 3, 2011 by cloner4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 so a cheaper alternative and more gen looking would be the mineral crystal To be honest the Minerals can be better but if you try to recreate the AR it will go yellow.... Mineral is a good alternative depending on source... but the best crystal I have seen and a few others have agreed is/was Rex's source, the AR was almost spot on and the shape was pretty good. I still personally dont think any capture that shape or indeed the very unique look you get of the gen crystal at the part where the crystal falls to the bezel...it almost looks like you can see the edge of a 44 crystal sitting in it, very hard to explain but very clear in your hand...this is created I guess by the sandwich construction method used by OP. However I dont know if he still can get them and if he can then the Chinese QC can mean some arent as good as others so you rally need him to pick out the best one..as I recall Tanya posted some pics of his Franken with one fitted... Or it might of been Proj, that watch has been around a bit No matter what you do you aint going to get better than gen (as with everything in the rep world) but you can get close But personally just like my franken I would not stop at gen dial otherwise you may as well just settle for the best parts that the rep world has to offer.. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 ya it seems that way, i think it was tanya that had the rex crystal and it looked very good..damn EL he got the best parts minus the crystal,lol Crown is still working hard on the 127 crystals, lets hope he gets there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) this 1 is not sooo bad... Edited March 3, 2011 by cloner4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 I tried to capture what I mean here mate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Pete- Great info on the various iterations. And I can tell you from my own experience on the 127 the first generation (1-350 or so) was far and away more primitive both as to dial and crystal - IMHO much closer to the watch it pays homage to (6152-1). So although Risti may have complained about the first run I am betting that 20 years from now there will be a big premium placed on the earlier serials. And I have to agree that you don't go with a gen dial unless you are willing to put up the extra money for the crystal (and of a course a movement). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloner4 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 yup its nice and flat and the center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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