lionsandtigers Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 I got my gen 16610 insert today, so i thought i would drop it in my sub from el, turns out, the gen insert is too small instead of too big. never heard of that!!! has anyone else experience this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 I got my gen 16610 insert today, so i thought i would drop it in my sub from el, turns out, the gen insert is too small instead of too big. never heard of that!!! has anyone else experience this one? Too small how? In diameter or depth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Indeed... I am also curious to know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 to small in diameter, there's a few mm's of space left btw the bezel and the insert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lionsandtigers Posted October 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 exaclty randy, lol.....uggggghhhhhhh, gonna take a pic in a few minutes and post it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 As an FYI, I sold this to L&T and passed on the info I was given from the source I purchased it from. I have also posted pics on RWG and the general consensus was positive. I didn't measure it with calipers, though. The source said it came off a Pre-F modern sub. But could it perhaps be even older? The pearl is a modern pearl though! I'm not a vintage expert, but here's the info I have: Old Sub 315-5513 5513 5512 1665 1680 9401 Outside Diameter: 36.55mm Inside Diameter: 30.3mm New Sub 315-16808-81 16808 / 16618 Outside Diameter: 37.65mm Inside Diameter: 30.7mm Needless to say, I will take responsibility for this and refund you if you want to send it back. I'd really like to know what the OD measurement of this thing is, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 here's a pic showing the gap. dont know what to think of it really. thanks for the offer chief, i know you're a stand up guy, i am more curious to figure this out then i am in need of a refund....lets see what we can come up with here first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy697 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Man thats a bummer. I want to get a gen insert soon and Id be very upset if that happened. At least you can get your money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 here's a pic showing the gap. dont know what to think of it really. thanks for the offer chief, i know you're a stand up guy, i am more curious to figure this out then i am in need of a refund....lets see what we can come up with here first Weird. I wonder if it's the bezel on that watch? I think we both agree (having both inspected the insert up close) that it is a genuine insert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hmmm... The bezel looks odd to me. Notice how much material there is from the insert to the edge: Compare it here... My money is on the actual bezel being too large, and not the insert, per se Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 thats what i'm guessing too randy, which is a bummer, cause its really a nice sub, but it looks as though it wont be getting this insert after all. gonna have to wait until a tw classic turns up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Bummer, man. There's always the MBW 16610, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 yeah, considering the mbw, but i would really love to get one with no lugholes. i've never been a huge fan of the sel's, i prefer the classic style band and endlinks, thats why i hope to get the tw classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 yeah, considering the mbw, but i would really love to get one with no lugholes. i've never been a huge fan of the sel's, i prefer the classic style band and endlinks, thats why i hope to get the tw classic I hear you... I wanted one with lugholes too, but the most recent TW model with lugholes is not so hot. And so that really leaves you looking for one from about 18 months ago.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 so, the insert fits in my mbw vintage drsd, any thoughts on that anyone? its definatly gen, which is making this weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Very strange. Only thing I can think of is that it's for a 16660 SD... 16800 is the same size as the 16610... All 1665's/1680's/551x's use the same size inserts, and vintage with acrylic crystals don't have the metal surround on the pearl anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 yup, very weird, any suggestions my friend? isnt the 16660 one of the transitionals? matte dial, sappire crystal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Indeed... 16660 is the transitional... First sapphire crystal SD. Have a look at this... Eyeballing the pic, the insert appears to be the same size as a vintage insert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 maybe i should try to source a sapphire crystal and build the first sd transitional sub!!!! what do you think of that idea? can it be done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Well... The 16660 and 16600 have a crystal that is almost 1mm smaller than a 16800/16610; rep SD's are based on rep Sub cases, so in theory, a modern 16610 case wouldn't work. Now, if you used your MBW case, you'd have to drill for a new valve, new caseback, new bezel w/ click, and of course, proper dial... And, that's if you can find the parts. 16660's are highly sought after as the next big hype... You'll be in fierce competition with purist collectors for parts that may or may not fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 feel like taking a crack at it my man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 The crystal I can source... The actual bezel and ring w/ click, I have no idea where to find. I've been looking for a matte dial for a while now for someone else... That's going to be tricky to source. Caseback is going to be near impossible to find as well. At the end of the day... You'll have $2k+ in parts alone if they can be found. The more important factor in the project (even more so than money) will be patience. Parts do turn up every now and then... Just have to be in the right place at the right time, with the right coin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Oops! Also forgot to mention the 93160 bracelet for this one... One of the first steel tool watches to have an SEL bracelet... You'll need one of those too. So... $2800 in parts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 screeeeeewwwwwww that!!!! maybe i should put it on the bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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