HauteHippie Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Many times I've seen these referred to as "the same pushers used by Rolex in service replacement". Sorry folks, but I don't buy it. I've now got a set installed (thanks, The Zigmeister) on a new-to-me Daytona to be named and photographed later. Compared to the gen (original non-service replacement) pushers on my 16520, there is a world of difference. The Cousins pushers have a thin rattley feel to them when unscrewed, and the screw threading in both directions is not as smooth as the gen. Not even close. Now, granted, I've not yet seen or felt gen service replacement pushers. So it is possible that Rolex is using these cheapos now as well. But I really think that while these Cousins/Ofrei jobs may look the part, they probably aren't the same as OEM at all. I'm not impressed. Anyone agree/disagree? Curious to hear more input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Well if you are talking 6263/6265 pushers, I have to admit I have been wondering the same for quite some time. I have never seen or handled genuine 24-p302-0 pushers in person, because they are just so damn expensive. I have a source who was able to order them from Rolex for 200€ a piece which imo is really, really expensive (that's two new 703 crowns from the same source). I might order a pair at some point, maybe when I get the V726 serviced the next time, but right now I don't see the point. Here's a picture of a Rolex serviced 6265 with service pushers. I have examined my cousins pushers thoroughly comparing them to this picture over and over again but couldn't really tell. I think the curved part on the outside of the pusher maybe a little bit more pronounced on the genuine ones. Also the "teeth" might be a little bit finer, but honestly I don't know. It may be something which is only noticable when you handel both watches in person, maybe LHOOQ can chime in here, I think he has handled genuine vintage Cosmographs on a few occassions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 So that's 400 euro for the pair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Here's another serviced 6263, the pushers seem to be a little more "flat" on the outside... Yeah Vly, 400€ for the pair, I enquired in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Well if you are talking 6263/6265 pushers, I have to admit I have been wondering the same for quite some time. I have never seen or handled genuine 24-p302-0 pushers in person, because they are just so damn expensive. I have a source who was able to order them from Rolex for 200€ a piece which imo is really, really expensive (that's two new 703 crowns from the same source). I might order a pair at some point, maybe when I get the V726 serviced the next time, but right now I don't see the point. Yes. I don't think the finish on the Cousins/Ofrei version matches the gen either. Next to a gen crown, the difference is pretty apparent. And the feel in the hand is just too chintzy for me to believe Rolex would put these pushers on their products. I'll go in for a pair of gen pushers if you want a partner in crime. ;-) I should mention, that I too have seen pics of the gen service replacement parts, and the Cousins version looks good in comparison. Another set of gens here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I definitely think the Ofrei ones are the same. Worst case scenario, you can trim them. E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well it isn't the length that's a problem. Clearly the gen service pushers are longer than the original from back in the day. See above pics. Now I'd be surprised if Ofrei and Cousins were selling something different (how many sources can there really be), but I guess I could give the Ofrei versions a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 It may be something which is only noticable when you handel both watches in person, maybe LHOOQ can chime in here, I think he has handled genuine vintage Cosmographs on a few occassions... Unfortunately, I didn't have a Cousins/Ofrei/Clark set to compare them with! I can say that the gen pushers are far superior to DW's, but that would be so stupidly obvious that reading this sentence would be a complete waste of time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I can say that the gen pushers are far superior to DW's, but that would be so stupidly obvious that reading this sentence would be a complete waste of time... LOL. Damn, 3 seconds I'll never get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well it isn't the length that's a problem. Clearly the gen service pushers are longer than the original from back in the day. See above pics. I don't think that they are too different, that might just be the difference of the 6263 and 6265 bezel (which is a tiny bit smaller on the outside - at least my 6265 MK2 vs my 6263 MK4), case polish and picture angle. The 6263 pushers you posted and those in my second picture are the same I believe and they do look almost identical to my Cousins pushers. But you are right, when you compare the feel of a gen crown while turning, the feel of the teeth is definitely different to that of my Cousins pushers. Cosmetically however the difference is very, very subtle... Imo the least important parts you need to go gen on a high end cosmograph franken, nice to have though... Ephry are you 100% positive that the pushers you got are gen? Care to do an in-depth review (macro shots, etc.)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I don't have any other gen pushers to compare them too. I bought mine as used gens. I do have the aftermarket ones that are being sold at $20 a pop to compare those to. I did notice that the gens I purchased have a longer plunger than the $20 units. I have to take the case apart anyways, but not for a week. I need to find a t21 crystal for the 6263 I have as this one is all scratched at the 12 o'clock from the previous case owner. I do have to say, the turning and pushing of the "gens"(calling them that from now on until someone can verify) is tighter/smoother than the $20 units. E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yep, that's the first thing I noticed, too . . . I.e. the original OEM pushers on my 16520 are tighter and smoother than the Cousins cheapos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Quick question on the dial. The "o's" around t swiss t, are those normal/stock/gen? What's the story behind them? E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Quick question on the dial. The "o's" around t swiss t, are those normal/stock/gen? What's the story behind them? E Those are sigmas, and they indicate the presence of white gold markers. These are extra-special dials, and only the five richest kings of Europe can afford them. Also, wiesn089. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 HAHAHA. Thanks LHOOQ. You are a plethora of information. Learned something new for sure. E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Wow E I just noticed your location; we are piratically neighbors. Sorry for the crap B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Wow E I just noticed your location; we are piratically neighbors. Sorry for the crap B Hmm, CT? E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Anyhow.... I'm surprised to have not seen Freddy333 chime in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Those are sigmas, and they indicate the presence of white gold markers. These are extra-special dials, and only the five richest kings of Europe can afford them. Also, wiesn089. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvn Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I bought a set for my Frankenstein Daytona 16520 and they are with Ubi right now to be installed and maybe Ubi would know how good they are since i could not tell one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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