HauteHippie Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 I don't make it for 7753, because Mark is making it. And this is where it gets confusing, at least for me. He did do a run of 7753s and has said that was it. Is there new info I have not seen that he is making another run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lello Posted December 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 I'm just taking for granted Archibald words, as Mark doesn't say anything about all this..., at least on the board. I didn't know he said he wouldn't make anymore 7753 DW. I'm also getting confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskent69 Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Although slightly unrelated - i would like to throw out there that if anyone plans on making Breitling datewheels - that would be great. Alot of members have various versions of the Breit's and none of these to my knowledge has a correct looking datewheel. To anyone who knows the breitlings - its a dead giveaway - especially in the low numbers. Make 7750 datewheels - and you cover most of the models...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lello Posted December 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 To cskent69: as you maybe have noticed, I'm working on the IWC Ingenier DW. One of these days I will make a post and see how much interest there is around. If you can give me some references and informations (mov models, ref pics of gen numbers etc...), about the Breitling, I will see if working on those as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Only just got to this thread which is why I have not replied sooner. Firstly let me say that I normally don't have an issue with anyone creating competition - it's a free market - however this is a slightly more specialised subject than maybe making straps or buckles and with the nature of these things I think it would have been sensible to have kept an eye on what was going on. Lello you disappeared a long time ago after some criticism from members about the quality of your work and because of that everyone here assumed that you were no longer involved in these projects or the boards at all for that matter. Having decided to try to print the 7753 datewheels (a project I actually started well over a year ago now) I also was asked about the 2893's etc so since you were no longer around I decided to give them a go and I opened a thread to take numbers of interested parties. As a result of that I purchased approx 75 x 2893 wheels and 25 x 2982 wheels since that allowed enough to supply the demands of the board (these have already been paid for). Had you bothered to come to the boards with updates on your projects from time to time I would not have entered into mine with such a large number because I am now comitted to this number as I cannot return any of the wheels. I would have made a profit if all of them sell but now the likely outcome is that I will be lucky to break even on this or maybe make a loss and this is what bothers me more than anything as frankly I am not so willing to give my time and effort for free - nor the endless phone calls or postage back and forth etc etc which have all cost me money. I have spent dozens and dozen of hours working on this and it has taken months of work to get this far. In fact I am right now working to correct the faults with the sample run that I just received as they are not right. This now means my wheels will not be ready this side of Xmas as I will not supply them to members unless they are absolutely perfect. My printers are using a Swiss pad machine and will be having special metal printing plates made rather than using clichés (nylon screens) which should mean a perfect print which is why it is taking time to get it absolutely right. So members should be aware that my 2893's will now not be ready until the new year. Just to clear up any confusion with other wheels etc - the 7753 wheels were not possible to source in advance so my printers have re-printed members existing wheels. This service I will continue to offer as the printing plates for these are being kept for future runs but I will still not be able to supply new wheels (ETA do not sell these as spares). The 7753 wheel does not fit the 7750 - they are a different size and I am not doing the 7750. @chieftang - sorry if I have not replied to you - I am very happy for you to offer an alternative US based AR service as again this has been hassle for me. Also this will work out well for US members as getting this done in the UK is not cheap against the weak dollar which makes this very expensive for any US customers so I might end up sending them to you as well!!! Thanks to all those who have continued their support for me - I have decided that these will be the last projects I will undertake for the boards as a whole as frankly it's just not worth all the hassle and I have become thoroughly disillusioned with the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lello Posted December 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Hi Mark, I'm glad you reply to this post. I well understand your feeling, as it was exactly what I felt at the time, when after so many troubles, expenses and bad results, I preferred put myself on a side, unless untill I would have succeed, so that I wouldn't keep illusing anybody about something that I couldn't be sure it would never be working. You are partially right when you say that, as you didn't see me around anymore, you felt free to start working on the same DW project. But, as my registration was never deleted on RWG, it was enough if you sent me a PM, that would come to my email and so I could have known. But now these are things that belongs to the past, I've never thought you made anything so wrong. I just hope you also now can understand me, that after all those problems and time wasted, I finally managed to get them printed right. Only you can well understand what this means. Now, why don't we find an acceptable solution, that would allow me to recover some losses and that in the meantime, wouldn't create losses to you as well. This problem it's actually only on the 2893 datewheel and maybe the 2892, but as they have not been printed it yet (they were printed, but they didn't come perfect on the last run) and so, I could try to stop the printer in doing them. Regarding the 7753, I could try to see if through my spare parts official dealer, ETA would be willing to release some blank disks. If I would manage to get them, we could make an agreement between us and I could send the disks to you for the print. If your printer really uses a better cliché and the result would be better than mine, this would have sense. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Regarding the 7753, I could try to see if through my spare parts official dealer, ETA would be willing to release some blank disks. If I would manage to get them, we could make an agreement between us and I could send the disks to you for the print. If your printer really uses a better cliché and the result would be better than mine, this would have sense. What do you think? Lello, if you can obtain blank 7753 disks, by all means please do. I would buy a couple and send them to Mark. It'd be a win for you, for Mark, and for the community! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Lello, if you can obtain blank 7753 disks, by all means please do. I would buy a couple and send them to Mark. It'd be a win for you, for Mark, and for the community! By the way, Bob Frei (see thread in General Discussions) has told me that ETA 7750 and 7753 datewheels are identical and interchangeable. I'm fairly certain he's full of feces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lello Posted December 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 By the way, Bob Frei (see thread in General Discussions) has told me that ETA 7750 and 7753 datewheels are identical and interchangeable. I'm fairly certain he's full of feces. ...This is what I've been always thinking. I started to believe they were different, because I was reading here on RWG about it. But how would it be possible, as a few experts have been working on this issue, without realize they were the same DW? Are you sure Bob Frei can't be in error? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 They are absolutely not interchangeable. The 7735 wheel is a bigger diameter due to the different top plate that carries the subdial transfer gears. Bob Frei is categorically wrong - I should know as I have two 7753's of my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 They are absolutely not interchangeable. The 7735 wheel is a bigger diameter due to the different top plate that carries the subdial transfer gears. Bob Frei is categorically wrong - I should know as I have two 7753's of my own. Bob is a buffoon. His 7750 stems don't work in my 7753 either despite him telling me they absolutely would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Bob is a buffoon. His 7750 stems don't work in my 7753 either despite him telling me they absolutely would. Well that I find strange as the stems for a 7750 and 7753 should be the same. The only difference between these two movts is that the 7753 has a different top plate that has transfer gears to move the 12 o'clock subdial over to the 3 o'clock position. Otherwise they are identical movts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well that I find strange as the stems for a 7750 and 7753 should be the same. The only difference between these two movts is that the 7753 has a different top plate that has transfer gears to move the 12 o'clock subdial over to the 3 o'clock position. Otherwise they are identical movts. Well the stems are visually close, but not identical. The 7750 stem has a slightly longer square section, if you know what I'm talking about, and something must not line up internally quite right because I can NOT get the 7750 to catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Again I still find that odd as I have converted a 7753 into a 7750. All the parts inc keyless works are identical except for the top plate which has the transfer gears. There are about 6 movts in the 7750 range all with slight differences in dial layout but they are all 7750's - I have just checked my parts list to be sure but all the same. It is possible that ETA changed the design of the stems as I know there are several different stems for the 2836 movt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 It might even be possible that Bob sent chieftang wrong stems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 It might even be possible that Bob send chieftang wrong stems... Most likely that is what happened... ALL 7750 Stems are identical, 7750/53/65 etc Swiss/Asian etc... I have never had an issue with any stem on any of these models. I think he sent the wrong parts. And as Mark stated, a 7750 datewheel IS NOT interchangeable with a 7753 wheel, the 7753 is larger. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www_watch Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 The 289x ETA's are not that important to me. I don't have any GMT's or PR's. But I'd really like to have 2-3 of these announced 7750 wheels/overlays. Are they already available? Couldn't find anything via the search function. If not... maybe pics of samples? Price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I think they were the correct stems for a 7750. They were labelled correctly, at least. All I know is that they would not catch in the movement. I fiddled with them (tried two different ones) for 15-20 minutes and then gave up and cut down the 7753 stem and called it a day. Maybe they would have worked if I knew what I was doing. Bob, maybe you aren't a buffoon afterall. Nah!!! You still are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 The 289x ETA's are not that important to me. I don't have any GMT's or PR's. But I'd really like to have 2-3 of these announced 7750 wheels/overlays. Are they already available? Couldn't find anything via the search function. If not... maybe pics of samples? Price? In light of marks trials and tribulations w/ the PAM wheels we decided to finish the 2836 vintage wheels first. These are in final production and will be available soon. So if you want to see the general quality and accuracy (including true 1:1 "printing") of our way of doing things, check out ubi's "Watchmen Vintage Datewhwwls v3.0) thread. Since Mark's project won't be coming out for a while and since he's not going to do any 7750's, we're going to go ahead and do a production run of the asia 7750. We're tweaking the gen datewheel image to make them look more accurate w/ rep cyclopses (the time frame of which largely depends on my available free time). The good news is that the time frame beween giving the production shop the go ahead and recieving the finished products can be as low as a few days depending on their workload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Quick update with my wheels - spoke to printers today and they promise to get them done before Xmas. Again this is fine tuning that's the problem but better to find out now rather than after!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www_watch Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Since Mark's project won't be coming out for a while and since he's not going to do any 7750's, we're going to go ahead and do a production run of the asia 7750. Hi archibald! So will these be overlays only or complete wheels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 In light of marks trials and tribulations w/ the PAM wheels we decided to finish the 2836 vintage wheels first. These are in final production and will be available soon. So if you want to see the general quality and accuracy (including true 1:1 "printing") of our way of doing things, check out ubi's "Watchmen Vintage Datewhwwls v3.0) thread. Since Mark's project won't be coming out for a while and since he's not going to do any 7750's, we're going to go ahead and do a production run of the asia 7750. We're tweaking the gen datewheel image to make them look more accurate w/ rep cyclopses (the time frame of which largely depends on my available free time). The good news is that the time frame beween giving the production shop the go ahead and recieving the finished products can be as low as a few days depending on their workload. Just a question on the A7750s... One of the main problems with these is that they are so far from the dial, a pretty good give-away IMO, at least on the Panerai models I have seen/owned (196, 188, 168 etc) Is it feasible to make a ring that can be applied to the date wheel to bring the date closer to the dial, or will this interfere with another part of the watch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 No way to do this. The reason is this: The transfer gears that convert the asian 7750 into a pseudo 7753 sit over the datewheel which is why it is recessed. Nothing can be done at all. ETA do a much better job where they make a whole new top plate that has the gears (which are a similar arrangement) running in a plate that carries the datewheel above them Also in these huge (now smaller) pics you will see the difference in size with the datewheels - 7750 is not the same a 7753!!: Edited for better sized pics!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 It's a shame nbody can source asia 7750 datewheels. The asia "7753" is the movement for which direct-to- wheel printing is the only way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 What's wrong with buying ETA 7750 wheels - they are the same as the asian 7750 wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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