rionrlty Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I gave this reply to a comment received (below) regarding my recent review in this forum of my New Navitimer 01, which has the “low beat” 21,600bph A7750 movement. As it regards a subject that I would like to know more about I am starting a new string here in hopes that some of you more knowledgeable folks will comment on the subject. Despite the fact that most seem to believe that this movement has a noticeably more stuttering second hand movement (it actually does seem to), because of the lower beat count, I am skeptical and spell out my reasoning below. Is it really that simple or are there other factors at play here? __________________________________________________________________ Yes, there is a “low beat” version of the 7750 in both the Chinese version as well as the older gen ETA versions, however the term “high beat” has always been a relative term. I’m no expert but I believe that there were many (high end) watches prior to the 1960’s, with accurate chronometer grade movements, which only ran in the 10-11,000 bph range. I still have a Bulova automatic that I purchased new in 1965, which I believe runs in this range. Curiously the large second hand sweeps smoothly and the watch has always been quite accurate, even though it was only serviced once about 30 years ago. I believe that one of the first “high beat” movements was produced in the 1960s by Seiko. It only ran at 18,800bph. A few years later they produce one that ran at 36,000bph. So, it would seem that while the newer 7750 runs at 28,800, the older version at 21,600bph (while it is slower), in the long term scheme of things, should not be referred to as a “low beat” movement, only less high than the newer version. The mystery to me is that when a true “low beat” (11,000bph) movement can reach chronometer grade accuracy, with a smooth running second hand, then why is the high beat version so important? The second hand on my new Navitimer 01 (21,600bph) is clearly not as smooth as the one on my fighters, which has an ETA7750 28,800 bph movement. What I can’t seem to figure out is why the second hand on my old Bulova, which runs at less than half that speed, appears just as smooth at the 28,800bph version. Could there be something else at play here contributing to the stutter. Also, it would seem to me that the higher the beat the faster that parts, related to the balance and escapement, would wear out. I would love to hear others opinions on this. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Hi, no expert at all, just relating visual observation/personal thoughts. Have 2813´s that to me look exactly the same like Asian ETA and 2813 that "stutter" more/a lot. Think that some of these movements are so "weak" they barely have the power to push the second hand if it´s larger, longer, thicker, heavier and that´s why on some it stutters so visibly. The other point is the shorter the second hand is (like on PAMs and some Chronos) the smoother it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rionrlty Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I know there have been many comments on Chinese movements being dirty from the factory. I wonder if this could contribute to the stuttering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rionrlty Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I just took my 49 year old Bulova out of the drawer, waved it back and forth a few times to start it running and the second hand runs smooth as silk. It is shorter than the Navitimer being a 36mm watch, but it has completely fluid movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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