Tsomas Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) I'm planning on buying this watch but have a question to you guys. pf-818.com/iwbp01001c-pilot-5019-cerny-black-asian-p-15865.html It sais No Recess Date, what does that mean? And what about "Fixed Power Reserve Indicator"? What does that mean? Otherwise, is it a good watch? EDIT: Think I like this better: www.pf-818.com/iwp00101a-3799-doppel-chrono-cerle-black-a7750-p-11569.html But whats the difference from this one: www.pf-818.com/iwp00101-3799-doppel-chrono-cerny-black-a7750-p-10585.html www.pf-818.com/0iwp10003-3789-pilot-chrono-cernyblk-swiss-7750-p-11423.html Which one do you recommend? Edited September 24, 2014 by Tsomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 "No Recessed Date" means that it has a recessed / slightly sunken datewheel. Maybe it's a relative description. The version with a fixed power reserve indicator is the one to get I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsomas Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Thanks for the quick answer! After further research Im down to this 2: www.pf-818.com/iwp00101-3799-doppel-chrono-cerny-black-a7750-p-10585.html www.pf-818.com/0iwp10003-3789-pilot-chrono-cernyblk-swiss-7750-p-11423.html Eather the one with Asia movment or the swiss? Is 900 bucks a bit expencive tho? I earn 4500 bucks after taxs, so the economy wont hurt, but is it wort paying so much for a 1:1 replica? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Ok, those aren't Big Pilots anymore... Without talking about the models, I'd just recommend you to not pay $500 extra for a "swiss" 7750. Imho, not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higginsd Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) 500$ is the market value of a real swiss ETA 7750 if you calculate the price of the movement, shipping from EU and the cost for a watch smith's work to put it into your watch. If you want to buy it yourself take a look at eBay. You can also look for gen IWC 79320 which is in fact much better than the "normal" ETA 7750. Price around 700$ plus shipping plus watch smith. If you change the movement after buying the watch with the A7750 (what I reccomend you to do) you can sell the A7750 in the rep forums, it's worth around 100$. And YES, an ETA 7750 is some universes better than an A7750 and worth the money! It's only I woudn't trust the chinese boys, they sometimes sell some very strange "real ETA 7750"... Edited September 25, 2014 by higginsd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsomas Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Thanks for the input, ill go for the asia movment. Its the top gun version i want. Can someone please link or pm me the best version. Is it v3? http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=56_133&product_id=531 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsomas Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 On the link above it sais: Please don't adjust the day and date between 10 to 4 o'clock . Is it something to worry about? Is it a v4 that dont have that error? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 On the link above it sais: Please don't adjust the day and date between 10 to 4 o'clock . Is it something to worry about? Is it a v4 that dont have that error? Not an error mate, common sense based that would apply also if you're buying the gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsomas Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 How does that come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 How does that come? On some movements such as the 7750 the date wheel is engaged for an extended period of time during the date changeover. This period can start well before 12:00 and end well after 12:00. It does not have an instant clickover like the other ETA calibres. If you change the date manually while the date wheel is engaged with the movement, you may cause damage. Just to be safe, it's a general rule not to try and change the date of any watch during the midnight hours. On a 7750 you "won't be able to" and forcibly doing so will break the date change gear. The hour wheel goes around 24 hours and drives another gear with a single pin or protruding tooth. In other words this tooth will engage a gear once every 24 hours. What happens at midnight, the tooth engages a gear on the day wheel and depending on the movement design another gear with a similar tooth engages the date wheel. With the 2824 and the 2892 (and most other quicksets) the single tooth that advances the date wheel is sprung so the it will retract when the date wheel is forced over it. It will generally hang up requiring the time to be advanced 24 hours to clear the fault. The fixed tooth date advance movements like the 7750 are the ones where especially important not to set date "between 8 and 4" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Btw, higginsd has given you fully correct info on eta/oem IWC. Before you later start thinking about putting funds into movement upgrade, be aware that opinions on the quality of the a7750 vary. Be sure to search around and read up on eg these two threads:http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/120049-a7750-vs-eta-7750/http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/146164-why-i-love-the-asian-7750-and-i-think-it-does-not-get-enough-credits/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsomas Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I see, thougt it was a bad copy first. Any of you guys who has any experience with toro? He seems like the only one who sells the v3? And is the logo white like the other reps or like the gen? Some say it is, some not... :/ http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=56_133&product_id=531 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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