olreon Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 hello, new post, seems like the pam064 and pam243 have some flaws that are not fixable! what´s with the pam024. is this one flawless besides the weak datefond, and what is with the Unidirectional 12 click Rotating Bezel , is this right for this one or should it be a Unidirectional 60 click Rotating Bezel ? old post, just wanted to know what are the flaws on these reps. i know the datefond isn´t right but what are the other flaws???? thnks in advace for yor help! pam243 pam064 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Both - Date font and cyclops (as always) 64 - Hash marks on the bezel should extend beyond the numbers. Don't own it so no other comments. 243 - CG is a little off. The "hole" is too big. Make sure you buy the later version, if you go that way, as it has proper engaved He valve and 60 click bezel unlike the other version. I also have never been able to discern whether the markers on the bezel should be polished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namor Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Biggest flaw on both: they are a little bit ugly... Sorry my friend, I have no Idea whats wrong on these because they never caught my attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I forgot to add that the version of the 243 you are showing above is the earlier version. Namor- It may be ugly but put one on. It ain't coming off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Agreed - the 243 is definitely the best. Wearing mine today with a nice tan Wojtecki Strap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 In the gen, the bezel has polished edges (hard to tell from your pics but they seem brushed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 The sides are polished beautifully on the second generation 243. The first generation 243 is roughly finished on the sides. The pics above are of the first generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 The 243 is yummy! Mine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 The sides are polished beautifully on the second generation 243. The first generation 243 is roughly finished on the sides. The pics above are of the first generation. Do you mean rep generation, kruzer? As for gen, according to my catalogues there has been only the 'I' generation (2006) so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neuhoover Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 yes, yes... he means "rep" version. Cucumber Jones, beautiful strap. Who from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 The strap is a Mario Paci - thanks for asking. I love MP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Yup rep versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovepanerai Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 the 5 minute indicies on the new 243 ar way too big - other than that it is better than the previous version gen: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 You're right. and while we are at it the lumed non-numeral hour markers should be larger and the bezel markers should be polished as well: But it is still, IMHO, the best Sub rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I would say that WAY to big is an exageration. Perhaps a little too big would be more accurate. Regardless - it is the best pam sub out there at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovepanerai Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I would say that WAY to big is an exageration. Perhaps a little too big would be more accurate. Regardless - it is the best pam sub out there at the moment. didn't mean to trash your 243 the slightest bit - it is lovely and I agree to it being the best PAM sub right now - for me the markers are way too big whenever you see it at first glance - they would be a little too big if I would have to look twice - but that's just me - peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olreon Posted January 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 hello, seems that the pam064 and pam243 have some not fixable flaws. what´s with the pam024, what are the flaws? best wishes olreon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovepanerai Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 well the 24 has the usual datefont/cyclops/no-AR flaw and the bezel should be polished since it doesn't have the black minute hash marks another option would be the PAM199 Regatta - this one is pretty accurate except for the usual flaws - datefont/cyclops/no AR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namor Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I forgot to add that the version of the 243 you are showing above is the earlier version. Namor- It may be ugly but put one on. It ain't coming off. kruzer00: I'm sure you're absolutely right - I said the same about the 127, 217, MM20 and similar 47mm models some times ago - unfortunately I had the possibility to put some on borrowed from a friend of mine. Well, yeah - now I own several of them, they're just lovely little monsters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 They are addictive. And the unfixable flaw on the 24 is the rings around the hour markers in addition to the polished bezel (although there is a pic of a 24A without polish on La Cote). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olreon Posted January 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 They are addictive. And the unfixable flaw on the 24 is the rings around the hour markers in addition to the polished bezel (although there is a pic of a 24A without polish on La Cote). the rings around the hour markers are ok. this dial version exists. the only doubt i have is "is the genuine bezel only a 12 click bezel or a 60 click bezel? hmmm???? it would be nice if someone could answer this questin.... best wishes olreon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 (edited) the rings around the hour markers are ok. this dial version exists. the only doubt i have is "is the genuine bezel only a 12 click bezel or a 60 click bezel? hmmm???? it would be nice if someone could answer this questin.... best wishes olreon This is the 24a that you are talking about and showing photos of and the 12 clicks are correct. However, the bezzel SHOULD be polished and the silver rings shoud NOT be on the 24a. There is a 24 with rings on the markers but it is not the A series. The rings on the markers is correct only on the version with the bezzel with the hash marks from top to 15min. The 24a should be polished bezzel with no hash marks and the indexes should have no rings. I hope this makes sense. The 24a version is very nice but it is not correct. I have one and I have a 243 (187 as well) the 24a and the 243 are a great pair. I would actualy say that the 243 is a little more correct the the 24a. Edited January 20, 2007 by Cucumber_Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 This is a gen 24a. This is the (my) rep 24a I think it is the 24b that has the hash marks and the silver rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 And this is my 24A: I haven't had the nerve to do it but I believe Finepics may take a shot at removing the rings. I agree with Cuke, the 243 is better. Haven't modded it yet but it is going for "Tritium" relume as above, polished bezel markers and better date font when it is all sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber_Jones Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Kruzer - Looks great, I need to get my bezel polished. Did they remove the markers before the polish job? If Mark can manage to remove the indexes and do a convincing T marker that would be crazy. I love all my subs and I honestly forget about the flaws with my watches when I wear them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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