Mr.RadioActive Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Hello- Newbie to this forum, but not to the watch world.....thanks for having me. I've been researching pams alot. And found I loved the Pam 055 white dial. I found one on the other forum sold by Davidson, and now resold to me. I can't come up with hardly any info on the white dial Pam 055. Like when was it sold, (Im thinking pre-2002), what was the original band (I think gator) and how much did it sell for (clueless). Does anyone have any true info on this watch??????? I know it was a gen watch, but the info on it is nearly nill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADRED7 Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 The PAM055 was sold from 2001-2002 (C-D-series) but only with brown dial! A white dialed PAM base or Marina only came in stainless steel but never ever in Titanium. This watch you will get looks nice but it is a fantasy model!!! Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Theo is definitely correct. The only white face Luminor Base are the 010 and the 114. Both they are polished SS case and bezel. The crown guard is polished on the 010 and E-F (2002-2003) 114, brushed on the G+ (2004+) 114. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 your both totally wrong. it gave both models pam055 brown and white. images below. the white version in a very small edition. http://www.ne.jp/asahi/panerai/carpediem/html/historic.html rolli gen pam055 white and brown: Theo is definitely correct. The only white face Luminor Base are the 010 and the 114. Both they are polished SS case and bezel. The crown guard is polished on the 010 and E-F (2002-2003) 114, brushed on the G+ (2004+) 114. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 your both totally wrong. While any day is a good day to learn something new, I would be cautious on taking for granted what I find on a generic, unofficial, unknown, japanese website. According to the site you mentioned, there are 3 white face Luminor Base: the "white" 009, the 0010, and the "white" 055. According to the Paneristi database, there are no such things like a "white" 009 or a "white" 055: http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/base.html The 009 is PVD-case, black-dial only. And the 055 is titanium-case, brown-dial only. I have to add that I happen to own all the official OP catalogues (unfortunately only those ranging from 2003 upwards), and there is no such thing like a model made with different face colours and styles. I mean: any time OP made similar models in different face colours and styles, they gave those models individually specific PAM ### names/numbers. Interesting enough, even 'your' site makes no mention about a white 009 or a white 055 on this page of theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Hummm, its tough. Because I've seen a TI white dial 055 picture before. Now i have to admit that we live in a day that any pic can be made up, it came from a very reliable source. I guess I'll just have to keep looking to see what the real deal is. I'll try to get a pic of the "gen" white dial 055 and see what everyone thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 And since Im a newbie Im certainly will show some respect to you pam experts, but could the white dial pam 055 have just been offered in one market...japan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Uhm... Japan market PAMs usually are an urban legend just made up to justify fantasy models showing up on the Japan market (Ken teaches). I also tried googleing for keywords "panerai" (or "pam"), "055" (or "009"), and "white" -- nothing came out. I stay on my previous opinion so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADRED7 Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 And I second sssurfers words....and stress the fact THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN OFFICIAL white dialed Titanium PAM (44mm Base)! I have to admit that I met several `Risti that made/mixed cases and dials to their own taste (e.g. the white dialed PVD base ?) So we can blame this on the grey market where everything is possible but nothing is official. Anyway, a nice watch! Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I've been told that this is a pic of the gen watch.....I did read where the all the base model pams were offered in white, but im thinking the guys saying its not a real model are correct. Check out the pic.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Anyway, a nice watch! Theo Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I've been told that this is a pic of the gen watch.....I did read where the all the base model pams were offered in white, but im thinking the guys saying its not a real model are correct. Check out the pic.... As I said, "Japanese market". Fantasy and urban legends*. But nice indeed. *I learnt one year ago ago not to believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 After tons of research on pams, I thought I found the perfect watch! But as soon as I get it, its back up for sale!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Was it ever possible to get a custom pam direct from them with a changed dial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 It is definitely fantasy but it looks pretty nice. I was always partial to the ti Chrono Avenger with white dial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Yea it is a nice fully modded Davidson. I've asked this question everywhere, and read and read and read tons of sites, posts, and other sources. I'm either going to sell it, or see if a modder can put the correct brown dial in it. Anyone know whos best in the CONUS to do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 (edited) I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. Nor am I trying to start anything. Im sincerely trying to learn and value your thoughts as Im new to the pams. I asked this question on a pam forum, and a guy said it was a valid pam, and posted this link: http://paneristi.web.fc2.com/data/79.html The reason I'm asking again is this. If this is a fantasy model (which your prob 100% right and Im just asking to many questions) then would the japanese go through so efforts to right up a story (im assuming this link is to a japanese mag thats what the forum member stated) just to sell rep watches of a pam that was never made? My reasoning is, I've not seen this white pam on anyones website for sale that sells reps. Davidson sells it modded. Point is, why would they go through such efforts to make a fake brochure (in picture found in link), and a artical about it (which i cant read) but not push this model thats never (or rarely) found on the rep market??? You'd think if they are trying to sell a fantasy model they went through some efforts to make people think it was a gen watch, but its rare to never seen on the rep market. Something doesn't make sense, and trust me again Im not questioning you members just trying to learn. ALSO CAN THE DIAL BE CHANGED TO THE BROWN EASILY BY A MODDER?? IF SO WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? Edited September 3, 2007 by Mr.RadioActive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 This all reminds me of another model, the RWX Marina Militare, Japan related: http://jitteryjim.com/?page_id=227 If the "white 055" too came from Ken, no wonder about good pics and brochures. It would be really interesting to read that Japanese page, I hope that ajoesmith may chime in and help. Also interesting to note that Davidsen is rumored of originally being Japanese. But I have to stress again that no official OP or Paneristi pages tell one single line about such a model. About modding your watch again: as long as you can source a new dial, surely The Zigmeisterzumba (CAN located) can install it. Unfortunately I have no clue on where to source a brown dial. Just, in a next future member Lello might be able to provide any dials anyone can desire. You may want to have a look here (scroll to near the bottom of the page). Btw, your watch is titanium, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 have you thought of asking Davidsen for a Brown dial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Yes the watch i have is a Ti. I'll be reading all the threads you sent ssurfer. However just briefly reading the thread Ken (remember Im a newbie) is a rep watch seller/maker? dluddy- I'm gonig to email him. I'm having a horrible time getting a hold of any modder to install it however. Im not sure if these guys are so tied up, or they dont know me yet. But if Davidson can get me a dial, that would be perfect if I can get it super lumed and installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Ken (remember Im a newbie) is a rep watch seller/maker? Yes, Ken / Watchhompo used to be the maker and seller of some gourgeous (and highly priced) replicas. Sort of a Japan version of MBW, but even better at times. Their highest-end watches surely were at a level not to suffer too much from comparison with gens, so to raise sort of a 'deep-grey' market. I would not get surprised if Ken spreaded voices of models especially made for the Japan market and supported them with great pics and brochures in order to get benefit from that confusion. Their reps were so good that, as a matter of fact, the Watchhompo people got jailed. With some good legwork from their lawers they got out of jail, but they had to move away with their business, and here is where I lose their tracks. I even wonder whether they might be involved in making some of the current "super-reps"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.RadioActive Posted September 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Humm, very interesting. That would make sense why the watch was taken so serious. Someone went to great lenghts to make people think the 055 white was a real. I read the link carefully and it sounds like he made a great watch. I wonder what the link could of been between the two? Its said the dial on the 055 is 99% perfect even under a loop. I did contact davidson, and hes sending me a brown dial, but this is very interesting. Thank you for all the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Well, if you put a brown dial at the level of that white dial into the 055, and transplant that white dial into a SS PAM, you should end up with a gorgeous 055 and an equally gorgeous 010/144. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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