flamemax Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hey Folks, I've been shopping for a HT subwoofer for a little while now and I think I have decided on a SV Sound 20-39. Anyone have any experience with this product? Kindest regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry563 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I just bought a Mirage s10 sub and it is out of this world. HIGHLY recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamemax Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Thanks for the feedback! I'm looking for something that puts out a bit more in the 15hz and up range... I see that the Mirage starts throwing our sound at 21hz. Also, I'm going for a 12", the 10" 's crossed my mind, but I'm afraind that it will leave me wanting more and I would eventaully break down and get a 12' . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry563 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Its not just how low the sub will go but also the quality of sound. The Mirage is crisp and accurate as well as LOW and loud. I have heard subs that are listed as going lower than the Mirage but the sound was sloppy and muddy. Why not try Mirage S12 sub? These subs also LOOK good as well as sounding wonderful. Some of these ultra low subs look like they belong hidden in a box and never shown the light of day they are soooo ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdkno Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I have not had experience with the SV's but I will say for home audio I would take a 10 over a 12 almost any day of the week. 12's tend to carry the note too much which makes multiple fast hits, like constant gunfire or multiple explosions, sound muddy. As for wanting to go down to 15hz, unless you are using this in a dedicated movie room its a waste. 15hz is more felt than heard so without a properly sound deadened room you will probably hear more things rattling(windows, doors, things on shelves, ect.) than the acctual bass note anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takashi Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 +1 to jdkno. Besides... never trust specs on paper! Well... I have learn throughout the years, listening experience is very subjective. Why not go and give it a listening demo first? I am sure home theater specialist nearby can hook you up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfreeman420 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 The only brand of sub I have ever owned is Velodyne. Loud, clean bass. The only company who only makes subwoofers (well until recently anyway). As for the rattling window, ask my neighbors.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamemax Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Thanks all for the responses... Infinity, polk, KEF, Energy, Velodyne (out of my price point for what i want) Mirage and JBL all have their strong points, well, except for JBL maybe. All of these brands have their strong points, bit they so not specialize in Subs. SV Sound, specialized in Subwoofers, and have beat out many other subs in audioholics reviews and home theatre forums revires. Search for finnish subwoofer review and you will see what I mean. My price point is around $750 all included. for the 20-39PCi. This is a 12" woofer in a cylinder configuration driven by a 300W RMS BASH amp. These guys are specialists in what they do. My other choice was the EP350 from Axiom Audio. About the specs on paper... well, you can't really argue with a proper test and comparsion done with a SPL meter by a 3rd party Check out the google search I mentioned above and you will see. 10's or 12'... Hmmm, I can't say I agree. Subsonic audio is all about moving air, the bigger your speaker (properly configured and driven) the more air it will displace, hence, more "felt" base. 10's are also flatter than 10's thoughout all of the sunsonic range. I know there is "much" more to it than that and there are many many variables that can come into play. But suffice is to say... 2 sube identical in quality and properly engineered, the 12 will always be louder and have the potential to go lower. There are quite a few movies out there that go into the 14, 15, 16hz range, you have no idea what you're missing until you hear it I am almost convinced on m purchase... but wanted to confirm the hype about SVS in a neutral env. and as always RWG partons have added their 2 cents. About screwing everything down in my HT room... I'm game for that!! Bigger is almost always better, hey! just look at PAM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamemax Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 One other thing I would liek to add... just to make sure no one gets misled.. the 10" and 12" inch comparison mentioned above stands quite true if you are looking at 2 subs a 10" and a 12" in the same price point. What usually happens ia a marketing thing.. Manufacturer X sells a 10" sub driven with a 150W RMS amp in a $499 price point.. this is uaually fine for a ported 10 sub Manufacturer Y sells a sub 12" inch sub with a 150w RMS amp in a $499 price point.. In this case, yes, the 10" will have much more potential to fire quickly than the 12". But now, up the price point ($799) and drive the 12" with, say... 500W RMS, now the potential has switched hands and the 12" will fire as quickly as the 10" What do you think they use in theatres? ever get the feeling you were missing out on the rapid fire machine gun, in terms of bass? I think not. :)0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamemax Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Velodyne ROCKS!!! Unfortunately, the 12" is huge and outta my league @ $1700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subzero1 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 From a physics and engineering standpoint the SVS subs are some of the best subs you can get regardless of price. For the money they sell them for they are a steal. I owned one a couple of them for a while before I got into building my own subs and working on infinite baffle designs. Never, ever buy a sub with a small box, the lowend output drops off dramatically. To get low bass you have to have a big box and a big woofer with a lot of excursion, and preferably a lot of power too. Anything that uses a small box is going to have pretty serious compromises in low end performance. I define small box as anything with less than 18 inches per side of the cube, depending a little bit on the T/S parameters of the woofer. Oh yes, also set aside some $$ for a good parametric EQ, as there will be large peaks and valleys in sound for the bass, which are the result of the dimensions of the room you have the sub in. You can't do much about the suckouts (valleys), but you can very easily control the peaks. These peaks are usually the reason bass can sound "bloated" or overpowering in a room. By measuring and eliminating them, you get much cleaner and tighter sounding base, while still getting gut-wrenching low end power. You'll need a sound meter with an analog, not digital, readout, and a cd with test tones closely spaced from 20hz to 100hz. One other tip - the location of the sub in the room is critical to good sound and performance. Usually the corners are the best place for a sub, but not always, it's very room-dependent. I recommend sitting in your primary seating position and put on a bass heavy song with the sub in one of the room corners. Listen closely to it, then move the sub to a different corner and listen again. Then move it to the middle of a wall halfway between the corners and listen again. Iterate this out until you've tried all available locations for the sub. Give the sub a permanent home in the location that sounded the best from your listening position. Only after it's in it's permanent home should you monkey around with the EQ and the sound meter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry563 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I was all set to buy an ED sub which are highly rated for around 650 bucks. I was just about to pull the trigger when I saw a good picture of what it looked like. An ungodly huge ugly BOX with poor fit and finish from my perspective. The Mirage s10 also gets rave reviews, gets down to 21 Hz and looks great in my audio/video room. It also sounds wonderful....I have it set up with a new pair of Infinity Beta 50's and a Infinity TSS center4000. This set up rocks and at the same time provides great effects for movies. I highly recommend the Mirage sub for sure. It blows away most of the store brands such as Polk you will find at best Buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerthat Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Based on what I have read you can not go wrong with SVS. The low end base response is the best. The physcial attributes may not be (big in size, not the prettiest girl in the room) Don't get me wrong I wouldn't kick her out of my living room / HT. I have owned a few Velodyne's, Mirage, Infinity, NHT ; Current sub is the Sunfire True Subwoofer. Very wife friendly with one hell of an amplifier section (2700 watts peak), tons of power but due to the small size not the low end response of the SVS. My current system has powered front towers plus the Sunfire sub so it has plently of base. I have 2 HT / Sound type rooms in the house, so I would love to hear what you think about the 20-39 when you get it, it is a down the road purchase for me to get another sub. My only complaint about SVS is as you likely know, becuase they have a cult like following you can never get a good price on a used one plus the new ones are only offered online so you can not go to the store and test hear them. One of the Velodyne's and the Sunfire cost at least double what your SVS is likely costing and your's well outperform them in my opinion based solely on what I have read over the years. A knoweldgeable person I know told me JL Audio's new home theatre subs are the best made for low end power. Think the retail is $3K each though... this person added 2 in one HT room. Cheers, M Hey Folks, I've been shopping for a HT subwoofer for a little while now and I think I have decided on a SV Sound 20-39. Anyone have any experience with this product? Kindest regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamemax Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thanks to everyone who responded. I pulled the trigger on the 20-39PCi last night. Once I calibrate the sub and break it in for a spell I will let you all know how it sounds. From what i hear... this $800 sub is comparable to subs that are worth double if not 3 times the amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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