Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) Hello every one, I would like to verify if i got it right, as I just ordered a Homage with Jimmy's parts? Case Crown Guard Caseback Also did Jimmy ever make a crown, or what other parts did he make? (LOL Jimmy is starting to sound like Billy) (Pictures are from the seller) Thanks Edited February 28, 2008 by asad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Jimmy Fu did offer a crown guard (with crown)... Along with case and back as far as I remember... Enjoy your special parts... Very expensive if you can find his parts for sale.! -MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Asad , I don't think that's a Jimmy CG , the ones I have are finished to a much better standard and don't have the gaps where the lever sits in the guard. Also- the "shoulders" of the guard are shorter on a JF CG - making the distance between case - crown - CG more aesthetically correct to the original. It may be the photos - but I wouldn't personally accept that as a JF CG. Good luck FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) I dealt with Jimmy Fu for a considerable time until he sold all of his parts. During my dealings with him he had complete cases, including crystals and display casebacks, crownguards, all seals / gaskets, dials and hands but NO crowns. He had only 200 of each part copied from his own PAM 001D and he originally intended to produce his own limited edition of a sterile Panerai style watch. However, Panerai's successful action against Ken Trading in respect of the RXW Marina Militaire persuaded him that this would only lead to a whole heap of trouble and his timing coincided with the general production and availability of 'our' Panerai reps which are despised by the Paneristi community. As Jimmy is a prominent and respected collector in his own right he decided to sell his parts as 'aftermarket' spares on Ebay, with the appropriate caution about invalidating your warranty etc. It is no coincidence that, in the midst of all the outrage about reps, you will never have seen any condemnation of Jimmy's parts on the 'Risti forum and I recall one member selling a Jimmy CG on the accessories section of Paneristi without any trouble. In fact he listed it a number of times without any interest and eventually offered it free to anyone who had a use for it. Edited February 28, 2008 by PAMman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Asad , I don't think that's a Jimmy CG , the ones I have are finished to a much better standard and don't have the gaps where the lever sits in the guard. Also- the "shoulders" of the guard are shorter on a JF CG - making the distance between case - crown - CG more aesthetically correct to the original. It may be the photos - but I wouldn't personally accept that as a JF CG. Good luck FGD I didn't want to start any argument about the validity of the sellers claims when I couldn't personally examine the watch but I fully agree with the doubts expressed. If the CG lever feels better / tighter than a normal rep CG I suspect that this is a CG from the latest run of 027 similar to the few that River offered late last year. I bought one of those and the quality of the CG was a major step up from any other rep that I previously bought but the auto does have the larger cut out in the bridge to accomodate the 3-position crown. My guess is that it's one of those as nothing else could hope to pass off as a JF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panera Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 How Can I reach to Jımmy? Has he web site (sizzling watches???) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 How Can I reach to Jımmy? Has he web site (sizzling watches???) Don't know if he has a website but he does deal in watches as a hobby. He can be found on Ebay as jimmfzfu. The only Panerai fit parts that he has are hour & minute hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Looks like a JFZu case but as others pointed out, not the CG. Also, if I'm not wrong that's DSN crown, thicker edge, shallower dish. One of the quickest tells between JFZu case and standard rep 44mm case is the lugs, they're shaped exactly as genuine, meaning longer and thinner than those chunky ones found on 95% of reps these days. The pic of the case posted shows those particular 'correct' lugs. cheers, babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Agree with the above guys. JF case and non JF crown guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Actually, I have spoken to Jimmy and sent him the pictures, and he verified that the Case, Caseback, and the Crown Guard, Dial and Hands are his also The Crown is some thing he questioned, He thinks the Crown is thinner than what he produced. Thank you all for you kind input or thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) Actually, I have spoken to Jimmy and sent him the pictures, and he verified that the Case, Caseback, and the Crown Guard, Dial and Hands are his also The Crown is some thing he questioned, He thinks the Crown is thinner than what he produced. Thank you all for you kind input or thoughts. Someone is telling porkies somewhere. That's not one of Jimmy's dials - his were engraved and NOT sandwich. I have 10 of them so I know what I'm talking about. Also, he didn't have any crowns during my dealings with him and I have never heard of anyone ever having bought or having seen a JF crown. Seems hard to believe that 200 of his crowns would have disappeared without any of us having come across them, unless he sold them to a rep watchmaker. Maybe he had 200 of the sprung crowns made, because certainly sprung rep crowns exist in small numbers. Definitely not his dial and 99% sure it's not his crownguard or hands as his hands are glossy black, not matt. I have some of those as well. There's a lot of BS attached to this watch. Edited February 28, 2008 by PAMman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) Someone is telling porkies somewhere. That's not one of Jimmy's dials - his were engraved and NOT sandwich. I have 10 of them so I know what I'm talking about. Also, he didn't have any crowns during my dealings with him and I have never heard of anyone ever having bought or having seen a JF crown. Seems hard to believe that 200 of his crowns would have disappeared without any of us having come across them, unless he sold them to a rep watchmaker. Maybe he had 200 of the sprung crowns made, because certainly sprung rep crowns exist in small numbers. Definitely not his dial and 99% sure it's not his crownguard or hands as his hands are glossy black, not matt. I have some of those as well. There's a lot of BS attached to this watch. I am sorry, but I would hands down take the creators word over some one else. here is the email I got from him: Jimmy "I see the case+caseback, dial, hands is from me, the CG unit also. Winding crown is not". Edited February 28, 2008 by asad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) I am sorry, but I would hands down take the creators word over some one else. here is the email I got from him: Jimmy "I see the case+caseback, dial, hands is from me, the CG unit also. Winding crown is not". Also to ADD the watch has been Vacced as well! If it makes any difference. I can contact VAC to see if he remebers this project and what mods were done by him on this. I can tell the LUME is done by him: Edited February 28, 2008 by asad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Unfortunately I have to agree that it is not a Jimmy CG. And I am positive as I am staring at one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) Unfortunately I have to agree that it is not a Jimmy CG. And I am positive as I am staring at one. Thanks, I will defintly get that verified thoroughly by Jimmy and you all when i get the watch, I will take it a apart and post a handful of pictures, and if the need be, I will send it to Jimmy to be properly fully verifed or will go around knocking on peoples doors to see if it fits perfectly on some ones GEN Panerai. Edited February 28, 2008 by asad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I am following Jimmy's parts since he started made them. I have NEVER EVER seen him offer a dial, cg and crown like that. Case and caseback are his. Probably Jimmy didn't took much attention to your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I am following Jimmy's parts since he started made them. I have NEVER EVER seen him offer a dial, cg and crown like that. Case and caseback are his. Probably Jimmy didn't took much attention to your question. Thanks "V" I will get back with him about this matter after I get the watch. Jimmy is currently investigating the guy who I am getting the watch from, to see If he bought the parts directly from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I still have 10 of his dials and a set of his black hands (plus 2 complete unused / unassembled cases & 3 unused / unassembled crownguards) in addition to the ones that I have already used for myself. I have sold a few new, unused cases and CGs and 1 custom watch built from Jimmy's parts. I am very familiar with his stuff and apart from the case and caseback there is no Jimmy Fu parts in that watch. His dials were not sandwich (his Ebay ad even stated that) and they all stated L SWISS L below the 6. He had 4 options for hands - black, blue, gold & silver. All were glossy and he never had matt black. The post asked for verification of the authenticity of the Jimmy Fu parts and I think that there is sufficient experience here to provide that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Asad- Bear in mind that Jimmy is not looking as closely as you are. He had them made a long time ago. Here are a few pics of Jimmy's: You can see how tightly the lever fits against the body of the CG - From above you can see the placement and size of the cg pin head: Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I will add to the chorus of people saying that this does not look like the JF crown guard with which I'm familiar. I also have to say that the JF crown guard fits the JF case much better than the example pictured (without gaps). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) I still have 10 of his dials and a set of his black hands (plus 2 complete unused / unassembled cases & 3 unused / unassembled crownguards) in addition to the ones that I have already used for myself. I have sold a few new, unused cases and CGs and 1 custom watch built from Jimmy's parts. I am very familiar with his stuff and apart from the case and caseback there is no Jimmy Fu parts in that watch. His dials were not sandwich (his Ebay ad even stated that) and they all stated L SWISS L below the 6. He had 4 options for hands - black, blue, gold & silver. All were glossy and he never had matt black. The post asked for verification of the authenticity of the Jimmy Fu parts and I think that there is sufficient experience here to provide that. Thanks, I do apologize, I am sure seeing that and question that as well, I will speak to jimmy again and the watch has alrady been shipped and i should have it by tommorow. So i will wait for further more verification from jimmy himself before i speak to the seller. Thanks again for your very knowledgable input. I will post more detailed pictures, once i get the watch. Also about the Dial and crown they look more like davidsans than Jimmy's: Thanks Edited February 28, 2008 by asad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Asad- Bear in mind that Jimmy is not looking as closely as you are. He had them made a long time ago. Here are a few pics of Jimmy's: You can see how tightly the lever fits against the body of the CG - From above you can see the placement and size of the cg pin head: Hope this helps. Thanks for the pictures as i am clearly seeing a big difference in the crown guard as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I will add to the chorus of people saying that this does not look like the JF crown guard with which I'm familiar. I also have to say that the JF crown guard fits the JF case much better than the example pictured (without gaps). Thanks, I can clearly see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweattdogg Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 So Asad I take it you decided to keep the speedy pros and get this 112 rep instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) So Asad I take it you decided to keep the speedy pros and get this 112 rep instead? Well i will be there soon, and post the out come as i am still in a split in that decision. and this is yesterdays news. compared to that being posted today. As i have to many to list PAM reps currently and a couple of Homages as pictured on my signature. Thanks Edited February 28, 2008 by asad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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