The History Of The 5218-209 and 5218-210

[UncleJay]

I don't know where the info on these two watches has come from lately, but it's inaccurate. The 209 and 210 are hybrids of the Pre-V and Pre-A watches. The 209 (12 pcs produced) used a Pre-A SS case with a Pre-V 201/A Logo dial while the 210 (2 pieces produced #'s 54 and 55) used a Pre-A PVD case with a 203/A dial. Neither watch used the /A on the case back because Panerai thought it would be confused with the upcoming A series watches. BTW, Pre-Vendome dials had no "T" markings (only exceptions were the Mare Nostrum). Pre-A had T-SWISS-T markings, while A and B series had T SWISS T. The 210 we see now is an orange dialed PVD Base model that was a Prototype, really produced as an attempt with dial colors.

Pre-Vendome:

Case: Pre-V

Hands: Pre-V

Movement: Pre-V

Strap: Pre-V

5218-209 and 5219-210:

Case: Pre-A

Hands: Pre-V

Movement: Pre-V

Strap: Pre-A

Pre-A:

Case: Pre-A OP6500

Hands: Tritium

Movement: OP II

Strap: Pre-A

T-SWISS-T

Tri-State GTG Info

[peepshow]

Wow.

Thanks for the "low-down", Jay. That is some truly great PAM trivia/history.

[Guest porsche356a]

What an invaluable asset you are to our community Uncle Jay. I know this sheds some light to a lot of questions. Thanks!

[Watchmeister]

Jay-

Very useful information. There has clearly been a good amount of confusion on these older models. Now we just have to figure out which cases come closest to meeting Pre-V and Pre-A specs.

[scoobs1971]

Thnx Jay!

[V]

Thanks Jay... great info indeed. A bit more light shed in the first days of the after-vintage Panerai

[fishgodeep]

Cheers Jay....wisdom and insight always appreciated.

There's a seller on the bay (helenarou) who sells the "Marina Militare" homages ....I picked up a couple of steel cases that actually have short lugs , single screw and no strap dimple/delve.

Compatible with all other std rep /gen parts , dial- crystal , caseback and CG - just a new tube and crown required.

What's the exact distinction between pre-A OP6500 case and Vendome onwards cases - as Jimmyz Fu case is a 1:1 for B-F and some G series I understand?

Cheers

[MADRED7]

Thx for teaching.....have to dive a bit deeper into history now

Theo

[archibald]

Wow! great info on the gens Uncle Jay, and a fabulous lead on the rep front, S.!! Threads like this are what this board is all about!!

[UncleJay]

BTW, these can easily be reped by DSN. I know I had trouble with DSN's QC .... but I like to give the benefit of the doubt. Remember that his PAM cases are good, seems the Pre-Vs are the issue. He would have to really be on top of his QC. One more thing about these were the case backs. They were prototypes so the case back engraving was a little rough and not like the regular Pre-Vs.

5218-209 Luminor

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PAM0001 case

5218-201/A dial

5218-209 case back (would need to be made)

5218-210 Marina

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PAM0195 case

5218-203 dial

5218-210 case back (must need to have the /A removed)