UncleJay Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I don't know where the info on these two watches has come from lately, but it's inaccurate. The 209 and 210 are hybrids of the Pre-V and Pre-A watches. The 209 (12 pcs produced) used a Pre-A SS case with a Pre-V 201/A Logo dial while the 210 (2 pieces produced #'s 54 and 55) used a Pre-A PVD case with a 203/A dial. Neither watch used the /A on the case back because Panerai thought it would be confused with the upcoming A series watches. BTW, Pre-Vendome dials had no "T" markings (only exceptions were the Mare Nostrum). Pre-A had T-SWISS-T markings, while A and B series had T SWISS T. The 210 we see now is an orange dialed PVD Base model that was a Prototype, really produced as an attempt with dial colors. Pre-Vendome: Case: Pre-V Hands: Pre-V Movement: Pre-V Strap: Pre-V 5218-209 and 5219-210: Case: Pre-A Hands: Pre-V Movement: Pre-V Strap: Pre-A Pre-A: Case: Pre-A OP6500 Hands: Tritium Movement: OP II Strap: Pre-A T-SWISS-T Tri-State GTG Info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepshow Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Wow. Thanks for the "low-down", Jay. That is some truly great PAM trivia/history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest porsche356a Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 What an invaluable asset you are to our community Uncle Jay. I know this sheds some light to a lot of questions. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Jay- Very useful information. There has clearly been a good amount of confusion on these older models. Now we just have to figure out which cases come closest to meeting Pre-V and Pre-A specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobs1971 Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Thnx Jay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Thanks Jay... great info indeed. A bit more light shed in the first days of the after-vintage Panerai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Cheers Jay....wisdom and insight always appreciated. There's a seller on the bay (helenarou) who sells the "Marina Militare" homages ....I picked up a couple of steel cases that actually have short lugs , single screw and no strap dimple/delve. Compatible with all other std rep /gen parts , dial- crystal , caseback and CG - just a new tube and crown required. What's the exact distinction between pre-A OP6500 case and Vendome onwards cases - as Jimmyz Fu case is a 1:1 for B-F and some G series I understand? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADRED7 Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Thx for teaching.....have to dive a bit deeper into history now Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Wow! great info on the gens Uncle Jay, and a fabulous lead on the rep front, S.!! Threads like this are what this board is all about!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 BTW, these can easily be reped by DSN. I know I had trouble with DSN's QC .... but I like to give the benefit of the doubt. Remember that his PAM cases are good, seems the Pre-Vs are the issue. He would have to really be on top of his QC. One more thing about these were the case backs. They were prototypes so the case back engraving was a little rough and not like the regular Pre-Vs. 5218-209 Luminor ------------------- PAM0001 case 5218-201/A dial 5218-209 case back (would need to be made) 5218-210 Marina ------------------- PAM0195 case 5218-203 dial 5218-210 case back (must need to have the /A removed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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