Thanks for the replys guys, thanks to PT as well for trying to get the new case back. My mate in work has just had a mate come back from vetnam with a lot of reps, i asked to see the BB which he said was a very good rep! how wrong was he, pins in brecelet not screws alloy wheel design case back non-working torbillion in face it was a pill of poo! i showed him my Ti chrono avenger and he could not beleave the quality! this watch was also from PT. Thanks Tim.