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can you guys give me a clue on winding? It's not a UPO it's a 42m, but with a chinese movement. shaking you can hear the motor running, but still only lasted about 9 hours. Winding stopped it till it was shaken again.. Any clues as to how to wind, one pull, date, 2 pulls hands move... ??

Nice! Is that a 45 with AR? Friend of mine got one of these today, bracelet doesn't sit great at the solid end at all. And what's with the wind on these. One pull changes the date, and the 2nd click moves the hands, Where and how do they wind at all? It's not a 'U'PO just a PO.

Thank you for doing that! Much appreciated..

Hi, can you explain what it's about when people talk about solid end pieces on the bracelet, are there different versions? ans what is SEL? Oh, and how is the lume on these Euromariners?

I think it probably looks better without, but it's the vintage look. Not convinced on the engraving issue though. I don't think I'd like it....

Right, I only looked at the black, and who would want it in yellow gold right

Yuh, I'm confused about that too, because the current Subs don't have the 'ROLEXROLEXROLEX' on the rehaut, so when did they have? And pluses and minuses of the lugholes? Obviously without looks better??

I read so much conflict on here about to wind or not to wind. What's the score there? Even when out of the box, you shouldn't wind it? When you buy gens Omega etc they tell you to wind it don't they, at least initially? Some even 40 to 60 times before you wear it? Do they all vary?

Thanks guys.... looks like the one to go for huh...

Does nobody have any answer to this, regarding the pearl on the bezel?

Please excuse a newbie question..... I know on the Omegas alot of the reps have those awful raised pearls on the bezel and the gens have sunken ones. Just because on this pic the Noob's pearl looks more genuine than the Euro. I could be completely wrong but what is the general consenus of opinion on it? Is the Rolex not sunken like the Noob one and closer to the Euro model. They both look pretty nice. What cost difference?

That's for sure, thanks a lot, fine old place you got here!

Yuh, that's what I meant... I didn't think that 'bit' was plastic..

Yeh, I would stick with all black and white. Robbie's gen in lume shot is a beaut. Always shows up great in pics that watch, When you see it in the flesh, not taking anything away from it, but it never looks as good as it does in shots. The pearl on the 42s are always a bit lousy on the reps.

Thanks for the explanation. I always thought the Rolex bezel was some sort of metal, never knew they used plastic!! Cheapskates. Blue huh....... dunno about that. I'm presuming the all black sub, strap, bezel, dial etc on one of the dealer sites here is just a pipe dream and not a rep of a model?

It's the big bang innit! Good luck on the Roly! It does look pretty fine

Hi Andy, have Rolex just started using ceramic for the bezel or have they always been ceramic but the reps use something else, I've only just noticed people saying 'ceramic bezel' recently, What do all the older ones use?

so there are some 16610 that didn't have it, or do you mean series as in variations of 16610 and other numbers?

Doesn't the 16610 have the ROLEXROLEXROLEX engraving round the inside of the edges under the crystal?

Thanks FM, so all the fakes with white painted bezels are screamers then!

As on a gen? Same on the subs?

Out of interest, do the gens have grey numbers not white on the bezel now? I've seen it on a few Subs on the dealer sites on here too...

Fireman Fred, TomHighway, fantastic handles!! Yep, am in the UK mate. I'm after the plain black and white face on bracelet.. I have a gen Seamaster that I've had for 12 years and fancy a change, but after trying on the PO, I couldn't warrant 2K. Nice as it is, I couldn't justify it. Tried on the 45 as well, MASSIVE watch. Never owned a rep, but hear some are tops. The Subs have confused the life out of me on here!! Ceramic bezel? Is that what they use on the gen? Absolutely, thanks Andy. You guys are a refreshing change!

Interesting, Thanks Jim, I do like that and the date isn't too far over, So the 42mm, aren't the Utlimates are they? Do we know what the difference is? Which one you going for, black or red? Robbie, that pic is listed as a 42 yep, but obviously what you are saying makes a lot of sense, and chances are they've used a diff pic? http://www.rolex2u.com/omega-seamaster-pla...tch--20673.html

Thanks Jim, the Sub is another whole game! That can drive you mad, I've seen so many, but not being up on the original, I don't know what to look for. The 2008 one I see with ceramic bezel does look great though. How is the Noob one you got?