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nice group of nice folks in a nice pub, served by a nice waitress, eating nice food, sharing their nice timepieces... what more can you ask for?

I know nothing. Best I can do is provide photos: MOVEMENT Please expert members and the lucky guessers, chime in for this pathetic dude...

Do these few help ?

I guarantee, assure you the movement and font are Swiss. The movement was serviced about 2 years ago.

Hey guys ! Is this a closed factory SMP with the proper He placement ? It has a true Swiss ETA

UH!? Not what my thread is about but whatever....

Yeah.... the busy dial on the Skyhawk is eye catching especially with the subtle orange accents... and the cokcpit-like look.... the Nighthawk is like many other watches out there with only a different dial configuration.

the steel version of the Skyhawk is mineral glass too but the titanium Skyhawk is sapphire crystal I lean toward the Skyhawk.... I guess i like busy dials.... like Breitlings and such...

Hey guys! Which one do you prefer ? Skyhawk (no watchmaker will open because the caseback says not to and to send it to a service center. Apparently, Citizen wont provide dealers or watchmakers with the special tools required to do repairs or cleaning on the watch) Nighthawk, standard eco-drive that any watchmaker can open and fix.

Hey you watch lovers are there. I have been collecting reps and gens for the last 7 years. I have had from Omegas all the way to Tags. I like watches that sre larger than $35 mm (those unattractive "unisex" ) and the biggest watch I wear now is my Breitling Avenger and it still looks tasteful on my average but not small wrist. I would not go too much bigger so I guess any 44mm PAM is OK for me to accept. Anyways, i have been thinking about those elusive Panerais but I don't really want to spend more than maybe $110 on a new one or $75 on a used one. I attached three different options I have to ponder upon. What do you seasoned collectors think? #1 is from an Ebay auction I just won. The watch is of course NOT a PAM rep but it is a clone watch. In fact knowing the RWX makes those watches in Japan for around $900 US , I think this one is (LOL) a copy of a clone!!!! It is not a real RWX. I sort of hear that it has a cheap Russian or Chinese movement but it could also have a Unitas??? I dunno. In any case the price seemed to be right: $70 US not incl. shipping. #2 is from Angel and Jay. You pretty all know about this one. Price: $110 US unshipped. ($35 US to ship EMS to Canada) OUCH!!! #3 is from "I offer" site. I have two watches from that site (Breitling Avenger and Rolex) and it was a great experience. This specific watch is exactly the same quality as Silixprime but this guy is good: when it is his daytime for him in Thailand, he actually answers every one of your emails IN MINUTES!!!!! Price: I made an offer (remember, this is IOffer) and I got it for $110 US plus $35 US for ship, just like Silix. Now, some more: #1 has a solid blank caseback ( who cares when really, you wear a watch face up). It also has the plain steel bracelet with the links that are blank inside). Also #1 has a plain "hidden" deployment buckle while #2 and #3 have the detailed bracelets but Silix's and Ioffer's watches have CLEAR casebacks, unlike the gens but they both have the "push button" hidden buckle like the gen. BUT, as a Canadian, because of the exchange, this is what the prices turn out to be(with shipping): #1 is $130 Canadian funds #2 is around $160 #3 is around $160 IF CUSTOMS LEAVE THOSE WATCHES ALONE!!!!!!! I know the difference is not much so why be so undecided? Because i have never seen a Panerai in person (my town here only knows Rolex and Timex) (hey that rhymes! ). So, since I never was lucky enough to see or test a real one, I just am not sure I would like the watch enough to keep. I might end up doing what I did so often: get rid of it after a few wears. So, even $30 or $40 is something in my wallet not absorbed by aftersale depreciation. Which brings me to resell value. Which one is most likely to give me back most of my money if I resell it? Finally, since I bored you so much I would still be looking to buy a Panerai with steel band in used (very used) condition for around $60 or $75 (Asian at that price) IF ANYONE IN THE FORUM HAD ONE TO SELL. I will greatly appreciate all your guidance in the petty but still hard decision for me to take on a watch I know nothing about. THANK YOU ALL. May you always be well. Chris

militare.bmpPamSilix.bmpHey you watch lovers are there. I have been collecting reps and gens for the last 7 years. I have had from Omegas all the way to Tags. I like watches that sre larger than $35 mm (those unattractive "unisex" ) and the biggest watch I wear now is my Breitling Avenger and it still looks tasteful on my average but not small wrist. I would not go too much bigger so I guess any 44mm PAM is OK for me to accept. Anyways, i have been thinking about those elusive Panerais but I don't really want to spend more than maybe $110 on a new one or $75 on a used one. I attached three different options I have to ponder upon. What do you seasoned collectors think? #1 is from an Ebay auction I just won. The watch is of course NOT a PAM rep but it is a clone watch. In fact knowing the RWX makes those watches in Japan for around $900 US , I think this one is (LOL) a copy of a clone!!!! It is not a real RWX. I sort of hear that it has a cheap Russian or Chinese movement but it could also have a Unitas??? I dunno. In any case the price seemed to be right: $70 US not incl. shipping. #2 is from Angel and Jay. You pretty all know about this one. Price: $110 US unshipped. ($35 US to ship EMS to Canada) OUCH!!! #3 is from "I offer" site. I have two watches from that site (Breitling Avenger and Rolex) and it was a great experience. This specific watch is exactly the same quality as Silixprime but this guy is good: when it is his daytime for him in Thailand, he actually answers every one of your emails IN MINUTES!!!!! Price: I made an offer (remember, this is IOffer) and I got it for $110 US plus $35 US for ship, just like Silix. Now, some more: #1 has a solid blank caseback ( who cares when really, you wear a watch face up). It also has the plain steel bracelet with the links that are blank inside). Also #1 has a plain "hidden" deployment buckle while #2 and #3 have the detailed bracelets but Silix's and Ioffer's watches have CLEAR casebacks, unlike the gens but they both have the "push button" hidden buckle like the gen. BUT, as a Canadian, because of the exchange, this is what the prices turn out to be(with shipping): #1 is $130 Canadian funds #2 is around $160 #3 is around $160 IF CUSTOMS LEAVE THOSE WATCHES ALONE!!!!!!! I know the difference is not much so why be so undecided? Because i have never seen a Panerai in person (my town here only knows Rolex and Timex) (hey that rhymes! ). So, since I never was lucky enough to see or test a real one, I just am not sure I would like the watch enough to keep. I might end up doing what I did so often: get rid of it after a few wears. So, even $30 or $40 is something in my wallet not absorbed by aftersale depreciation. Which brings me to resell value. Which one is most likely to give me back most of my money if I resell it? Finally, since I bored you so much I would still be looking to buy a Panerai with steel band in used (very used) condition for around $60 or $75 (Asian at that price) IF ANYONE IN THE FORUM HAD ONE TO SELL. I will greatly appreciate all your guidance in the petty but still hard decision for me to take on a watch I know nothing about. THANK YOU ALL. May you always be well. Chris