Star69

Hi guys,

I spoke to Santi about somethng else and this matter was discussed and I must admit he was very nice and very humble....

Now I am not taking a side or implying anything in respect of any part of this issue..

But for what its worth... the guy, I think, genuinely believes he had an issue.... now I am not saying he is right etc but I am sure you guys understand that sometimes things happen in life where mistakes are made.... and more importantly sometimes we find ourselves in a position where we genuinely feel aggreived but the facts dont bear that out... and as time passes, you begin to realise that maybe your genuine belief was misplaced...but at that moment you feel frustrated that no one believes you etc.... I know I have and I am sure so have others.. throw into that language etc... ( I accept a translator came in when mods got involved)

I honestly think in this instance that the guy does genuinely believe there was an issue.... now whether right or wrong we have all felt that at some time.... and while you have that mindset its very hard to give up that belief even in the face of evidence contradicting that belief... throw into the pot the info he got from his watch guy, whom he has a relationship with, then it can be hard to understand and accept .. (I hope that makes sense)

I am sure Santi will come to terms with that but I would ask he is given a bit of time... as I think he will come to accept the situation in his own mind..

I am also sure he is grateful for Andy's help and will honour his undertaking.... He just needs some time to reflect I think

well Pete - your clearly take your side

after getting countless PMs and mails from Santiago - he is quite - he does not respond to me at all - to my PMs in the thread - to my emails ....

what he still does is : he still write horse-[censored] about me and this really starts to [censored] me off !

don't get me started Santiago - i can post your insulting messages her in public i you want,

he is a fraud a liar a cheater not more not less.

Where are the 50 Euro he owns Andy ?

Its time to be a man and take care of your [censored] Santiago.

cheers,

Frank

i have just one thing to say :

the 50 Euro is not an forced Donation to the forum - its the money that Andy would charge for his work - he donated it practically to the forum.

the deal was instead of paying the 50 the Andy . Andy offered to have this money donated to the forum.

Andy is doing this all for free on his own expenses.

thx

Frank

and some news from the SUB !

it was picked up for a fee of 200 Euro from the customs and

"it was very very poor packed just a envelope and the watch was wrapped in just one napking (paper) very very poor!!!"

i would REALLY appreciate if those 2 members would post here in the thread - sending an $500 watch in a piece of paper ?

where are you

juan.sidarta

finhs

????

yes - wtf

this Santi guy make a huge fuss - calling me all kind of names - sents a working watch to Andy - who has to spend 2 hours alone

with customs - carzy [censored]

fresh from the Beach -

my Dealer has them ALL

i was in love with the yellow Hublot at first sight - then i noticed the lack of QC

anyway i found an high end Breitling - best Rep ever !

Beach AD :

cheers,

Frank

to all who like drame like me here is an update to this thread :

the SUB arrived in Sweden - and is held by customes ! they will release it for just 200 Euros - thats a good pice it think for a nicly modded rep .....

the PAM arrived in Germany - was help by customes ! and released for free ! the only problem : its working perfectly !

= its in the same condition like it was shipped + some extra scratches from some unqualified opening

i really have enough of this [censored] - sorry

cheers,

Frank

a lot of (still cheap) watches are out there -

some from my collection:

the sky is the limit when it comes to obscure swiss vintage watches

cheers,

Frank

Andy thanks a lot for stepping in - sure i pay whatever it takes ! (and some extra beers )

Frank:

Still with the same question, and you ask for calm.

The wacht does not work, i tall you a lot of time, I can go to the NOTARY with the watch, if works, i pay the bill, if does not work, you pay and return all my money spend in this watch.

For the last time Frank, try to resolve the problem that you send to me.

Thanks

Santi

Santi : i believe you - okay - i said already a few time im so so so sorry - the watch is broken - yes i know - my post was to show that the watch was working when i shipped it - thanks !

(remember you called me thief, liar, scammer and so on ...and your watchmaker told you that the watch had to be broken before it was shipped to you...)

and this is the movement for 35 Euro :

http://www.siswatch7...292509609011170

im sure it even cheaper on ebay.

pics from my sale - i usually prefer the BASE - sometimes its good to have a seconds hand :

watch the seconds hand - i can send you the original pics from the cam - and i have even more - the watch was running.

Santi,

as you want to have this conversation in public ;

please calm down a little . its NOT really helping putting my real name here and send my countless PMs calling me all kind of other names.

the shipping took long - yes i send your watch with registered mail right away the next day you paid me - i sent you the tracking number - why i took 2 weeks - i can not say - yes im sorry you had to wait 2 week - but you live

on a little island at the other side of Europe - sometimes it evens takes 3 weeks when i get something from Italy which is about half the distance to you.

i replied to you within minutes after you wrote you got an defective watch - i know you don't believe me - but it was in perfect working condition when i shipped it - so it must have been shaken up a bit - even the extra strap that i included could

not protect it - again im really sorry - things like this happen ...

my first thought was to ask you if you have an local watchmaker as this is an very basic movement an easy to fix - you agreed right away. Sadly your watchmaker could not fix it - so i sent you my other offers.

again im sorry but my Paypal is not only in minus but also they want all kind of documents from me - i told you that im off to holly-days next week too -

transferring money in the EU via bank wire is very fast too - i really can not see why you react like this. I offer all kind of help ....

thanks !

Frank

yeah it hit me really hard - an other broken watch

this is what i offered right away the to the buyer :

.....

you ship the watch to Domenico - an trusted watchmaker in this forums - i will pay the repair.

you ship the watch back .- after my holly-day i get it fixed and send it back.

you order an brand new movement for $35 from Getat and i transfer you the money via bank wire.

or you sent the watch back and i transfer you the money back via bank wire.

....

i dont see anything wrong with it as i have really no Paypal and will def never use it again

there is light at the end of the tunnel -

buyer will send (hopefully) the watch back -

esp thanks to one awesome member who agreed to route the watch to me back over one custom friendly country !!!

thanks again - you know who you are

cheers,

Frank

the interesting fact :

i you sell with Paypal - the buyer uses the "gift" option and charges the money over his CC back -

you are [censored]

Paypal via gift = no buyer AND seller protection. i did not know this before ....

Juan is not a very smart scammer

too smart for me

his facebook :

http://www.facebook.com/juan.sidarta

can anybody help me how i contact the police - or somebody in Berkeley who can help me ?

its just too much money to just go away with it ...

i have his name, his address - and he is a student in Berkeley ..

thanks !

Frank

German customs are the nighmare - i get a lot of vintage Seikos and parts - my other hobby

every freaking watch - even if totally in pieces - rusted half awy they sent to an lawyer who checks them if they original - timewasters ....

they know me already at the customes office and i calculate 2 extra weeks till i get my watches

first he wanted $180 for fixing the watch then $120 -

i offered to send an complete new movement for free - i doubt the watch is defective at all

to make it short -

i sold a watch - buyer recieved it -

"shoke it for minutes, long minutes"

and did not get it to work ....

i transfered him $50 to get it fixed.

tried to explain that i can not take it back as it will be destroyed by customes ... and it prob is just an easy fix ...

instead to have an watchmaker look over it .

he pulles off an Credit Card Charge Back over Paypal -

means im without the watch - minus $600 and minus $50 i paid for the repair...

so beware :

juan.sidarta

Berkeley, California 94704

is the guy - aka "dark_chocobo"

cheers,

Frank

Kemmner is a Germany ebay seller - he sells all kind of parts from China - he offers extra service like you can have your own dial text an so on ....

so its basically a modded watch with one of his cases with custom dial, hands, cb and insert.

you can get all the parts separate from him too or have him build custom watches.

cheers,

Frank

But remember that this alleged service dial is an old Tritium one and not one of the newer luminover ones so is rare in itself.

Anyway I did sell this locally in Australia for $4700 just for the record so everyone was pretty much on the money.

that was a good price - for the buyer

You come F?

no - I'm in back luck with the last GTGs ;( this is exactly the weekend we are moving to our new house ....

yes - highly recommended - you will be blown away !

cheers,

Frank

I never understood people who spend 1/2 or even a 1/3 of the price

of the gen to build a Frankenstein.

Call me crazy.

Half the fun is doing the mods yourself, so OP stick to the josh 1655 and build it yourself:

-1655 dg2813 $150

-1675 yuki dial $150

-2813 Mercedes hands from Clark $10

-25-116 Clark Crystal $6

-WSO complete Bezel $160

Under 500 great rep. Some case slimming and CG reshape and it's good to go.

+1000

under 500 is possible - if you want to go crazy watch ebay - gen cases go often less then

what Phong = made in China for $50 asks

cheers,

Frank

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