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MMM...keep those sig pix coming TT Andy's got it, Josh, that's the one I'm talking about. All the newer ones out there(2006 PAM250s) spell it right. Look at the dealer sites. The diff between "meter" and "metre" is that the latter is an actual unit of measure and the other is added to words to mean it measures or "meters" something, in this case Tachy- or speed. There is actually no english word "Tachymetre".

Well, if your aim is to front a fake at a premeire party like youre Matt Damon, I agree whole heartedly. I wouldn't wear either one out in that case, for fear of attention and inspection. That model just needs some quality control and one more revision and it would be [censored]. TTAndy is great to deal with--he stands behind his product--to a fault. He has had so many successful sales that when a bad one goes out he has a hard time believing it. I wish his guys that mailed it, who are sending it from elsewhere (where he can't control what's going out), would have picked and mailed one without production flaws, I might have kept it despite it's re-design flaws. The splotchy 9 is just unacceptable by anyone's standards, it shouldn't have been sold and sent. Same when my 196 arrived with a small dent in the case. I didn't even see it until scrutinizing it for a few minutes. I think maybe because of the volume of sales he and his peeps do, some slip by. I don't want even slightly defective watches, which are meant to be admired for thier attention to detail and asthetic. Luckily he takes care of the problem quickily and I thank him for that at least. Back to the first subject--Here's a helpful guide to showing off your watch without actually lying about it's authenticity. Try these evasive answering (EA) techniques: ------------ Q: That's a nice watch! What kind is it? EA: You ever heard of Panerais? A lot of stars wear them. The PAM250 like this one sells for 10k. Panerais have been around since...[segue, change subject.] ------------ Q: Is it real? EA:I hope so! I paid a lot! (Ha Ha) I saw a fake a Rolex in Thailand last...[segue, change subject] or EA: As if they meant not holographic or illusory--tap it, feel it, then: "Yep, it's real! (Ha Ha) Do you watch Star trek where they have the Holodeck..." [segue, change subject] ------------ Q: It's made by Panarai? EA: You know, I think most of the fakes out there are Rolex copys. My sister saw this TV show...[segue, change subject] Any more than that I think you'll have to lie or 'fess up.

You are so right on about that one. You nailed it on the HEAD, brother. Couldn't have re-said it better, or with a more appropriate emoticon.

Pardon my ignorance...Why? EZ. Check yer PM. I wanted to add that "auto-tracing" programs and plug-ins are for people who never mastered the bezier curve tool. It takes some flight time to use it properly, but it's the only way to trace in Illustrator properly. Also this whole TACHYMETER TACHYMETRE isn't a huge problem for me.

Exactly. Make sure your dealer or his peeps look it over before sending it out to make sure it looks like eddies (sans sexy, fuzzy photography)--otherwise you'll get stuck with return postage ($16) like I did, not to mention f**kin PayPal fees which are probably more than the postage--neither of which my dealer offered to cover. If you really don't know what I'm talking about, go back and start from the beginning of the thread--esp. my photo. Here's another to refresh your memory. This one shows the bench grinder buttons and the non-flush crown guard pin:

That one looks WAY better. To the point of being a different maker, yes. Thanks for the heads up--I'm going to follow up. The fact that TachYmetre is still spelled euro tells me that they took the older one and put a brushed finish--That's what I want. I hear what you guys are saying. Mostly I want to blow my cash on the new Bell & Ross' with subdials. Lets crank those out people! Chop chop!

I was told by TT Andrew there is only one manufacturer of the PAM250 brushed. Is that wrong?

PAM196, that's what I thought I had until now when TT Andrew in emails calls the one on the left an "old" 250(A1) and the one on the right the "newer" 250. He told me the new (brushed, on right) 250 has Asia 7750 (28,800bph) , older has Asia 7750 (21,600bph), if thats what you mean by updated. It had (I say had cause I sent it back) a different cast to the glass also. The movement looked a little smoother on the newer 250 (on the sub second hand) maybe my imagination That hand, the actual football-shaped needle, had a kinda rough edge around it. I didn't test accuracy on either of them. Another problem not in the picture I posted (I have it in other photos I took) is the buttons top and bottom of the crown guard aren't shaped smoothly. They look like they were rounded off on a bench grinder and smoothed out with the wire wheel, like cheap taiwanese-made tools. A little smoother than that implies but you get the drift--obviously hand-shaped on a production schedule.

That was a handpicked one, for sure, and nicely photographed. If we use the girl analogy as eddie did, it's like your chicks modeling photos compared with how she looks in the daylight after a hangover in real life. ZOOM into my photo (it's very hi res) at the top for a more accurate look at what you will probably get if you order one--there's only one manufacturer. Again, look at both 12's (top one's 2 is squatty and stretched wide and doesn't line up at baseline or top--the bottom one is consensed together way too much--better seen in person), the small 9 bleeding, the 3 o'clock sub numbers look way too small in person and of course the awful skinny date numbers(they had it A LOT better in the first one). This is not one of the better reps, IMO. It bugs me because these flaws could be perfected with very little effort. Whoever worked on the is rep lacks a good critical eye and/or just didn't spend enough time on it. Sorry for repeating myself--I wouldn't be writing this much about it, but this is my favorite model. So close yet so far, indeed. I have 3 other reps, not a lot, but they are all perfect, so I know it's not just me.

"The only thing worse than fake [censored] are the kind of guys that like them" --Me

The one in your picture looks better, not because of the photography. It looks like it was hand-picked out of a bunch because it had the best imprinting, cleanest numbers--mine is not like that. Here is my challenge/offer: I have been a PROFESSIONAL print designer for years now, in which I have a 4 year degree. I have had a lot of projects over the years where I was given an old logo or design that was unusable because it was not in vector format (a photo, low res web), and therefore would not resize well. I would go in and meticulously pick fonts out of my thousands that matched the original. If it was a special font made only for that piece, I would go into Illustrator (Adobe), zoom WAY in carefully trace the old artwork, until it was a perfect match. I'd PMS match the colors, separate into everything into layers, and that was it--a perfect reproduction ready to be fed into a press, engraver, whatever--they all use the same format basically. I'm positive that whoever puts together these dials works in a very similar way, just sloppier with less awareness of details. "Close enough" attitude. Unproffessional. This is why I am maybe overly critical of these reps. It's not that hard to match it perfectly. Esp. with some ETA reps going for $700 or whatever. Unless I'm missing something, like they HAVE to make it look a little bad otherwise they can get in trouble--that's the only thing I can think of. My offer and challenge is: I will offer my expertise to anyone willing to make a perfect rep. I would LOVE to redo the 250. If you have connections to manufacturing, send me detailed photos of an original and I will supply the files needed to print a proper rep. dial, etc. Print, engraving, they all have to start out with a vector layout to scale made on a computer. I'm sure I'm going to get barraged with "Well, there's more to it than that", but you know what, look into it, I doubt there is. This is my offer and contribution to the RWG, PM me if you are serious. Also, I'm not "The Man". Andrew, Josh--are you listening?

I was a little confused during the ordering and research process of what is a 196 or a 250. I thought that the one on the left was a 196, but then my dealer calls that an older style 250. What I wanted was brushed metal bezel, OPan's site: the "00250"

Look at both "12"s, the date number, the mini size of the 3 o'clock sub numbers, the "55". The numbers in general are more splotchy on the new one, the older ones are imprinted better. I really hate the thin date font that they use on a lot of these--not only does it not match, it's hard to read--at least the old one has a nice fat date like the original. The new one definately has a more accurate "Lumin...Daylight". Also the concentric grooved subdials are better. They both have problems, 4 sure. but if you have them both in your hand you can see better what I'm talking about. Maybe I got a bum one. "No sir, I don't like it" --Mr. Horse

I left the photo big so you can do your own zooming. I just got the new one yesterday (right). Any close up requests, LMK. There are improvements, but all in all, I don't like it--it's on the shoddy side. I'll let you pick out the problems. One particular problem to this unit is a splotchy 9 at the 6 o'clock. Slightly better movement though.

Information, V-ger. Thank you for that info that was good educational reading, that was part of what I'm looking for. I didn't want to get to off subject, I know this is a rep site, sorry. I'm not touting the merits of one over the other by bringing the subject up by the way, kenerich. Your anology is incorrect. I am just unfamiliar with the kinds of movements in different watches. I don't tear 'em apart. Besides, I ride motorcycles! P.S. That site site you linked is a nightmare. I can't tell what the f*** is going on.

I get it. So all newer Seikos are quartz so there is no comparing the movement. We here deal with windables. Is that my head getting beaten in the emoticons? Real-brand comparitively-priced watches just don't exist here, eh? Is that how the dealers like it? "Am I looking for a rep or a Seiko?" Both! Whatever looks cool, that I want to add to my collection! It's not all about fronting an expensive watch for me. It just so happens that most of the really great watches are expensive, so I have to go for reps.

The thread got wood there for a while. 3 watch reasons: I was like 9 when all those cool Casios started coming out with more and more functions. That kind of facination dates back to like [censored] Tracy and Batman stuff, watches that do crazy [censored]. All the functions that can be crammed into a wrist-worn appliance is cool. I kinda want a GPS Suunto. The design, the asthetic, the line between function and form. The more expensive and better designers usually got it. As far as reps, it's nice to go out a flash a multi-thousand dollar watch, and not have to worry if you drop it.

In general I used to have a Seiko that was the most accurate watch I ever owned. I'm between buying a: and a: But I was curious how Seikos quality matches up with the common movements in the reps

And...good job.

Cousteau IWC

OFF TOPIC! OFF TOPIC! SOMEONE BURN HIM! Now you HAVE to list your top 5.

Are they opposable? I meant Reps. I thought replica and reproduction are interchangable. Maybe not, in this case. Nobodys keeping thier B&R I geuss, just not worth enough I'm so new, it doesn't really count but the ones I have are: PAM 250 Tantalium B&R (the new one with subdials) IWC GMT Ti REAL MWC Military

Wait...it's getting back on track...this is good stuff. Just take the middle out. Like where ehctoclad swooped in patronizingily and inserted the first off-target official insult toward another member in response to me comparing SouthPark content not funniness. I wrote the [censored], and I don't even think it was that funny. But it's nice to know you're hovering up there looking for spots to inject your attacks. Let's keep the on target stuff!

Agreed--please.

I'll tell Matt and Trey next time I see them in L.A. that some of the big-whigs of the fake watch hobby circle are huge fans. I'm sure they'll be stoked.